Jim Jeffries Turns Down Offer of $20,000 To defend Against McVey In 1903.

The fight was postponed once , media interest did not translate into fan interest, given that Jeffries said he lost money on the fight. The first time Jeffries met a man his own size, and weight ,was against Ruhlin, indeed it was the only time.

 

The timescale in question is 1903. Mcvey was kod by Johnson in 1904.
McVey had beaten Fred Russell,Denver Ed Martin ,and Kid Carter all by ko.at the end of 1903, he had lost just 2 fights ,20 rd decisions to Johnson and had won all his other fights, and by ko.

He was certainly a better,more credible challenger than either Finnegan who beat no one and had a 4-2-4 record or Munroe who had only the scalps of 2 totally washed up names , the wrecked shell of Tom Sharkey, who had won 1 fight in the last 4 years and had not fought in the last 2years.

And alcoholic Peter Maher ,who had won just 1 of his last 6 fights.

Munroe's other opponents included 3 middleweights and 7 who have no traceable record at all ,before or since.



McVeys record was superior to either of these.


Prime ? "Jeffries never beat a great fighter in his prime. He beat old men." .
"Jeffries made his name on retired ex champs Corbett and Fitz. "Gene Tunney




Don't mention prime.

Who Johnson fought as champion has absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread.

We are discussing why Jeffries refused a $20,000 offer to fight Sam McVey in 1903 confine your tiny mind to that subject.

Jeffries reason ,that McVey was not of sufficient quality is bull**** because he had defended against a no hoper in Finnegan ,and would do so again inside a year taking on Munroe.

McVey's ONE ROUND KO of Denver Ed Martin Sept 1903.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cd...&e=-------en--50--1--txt-IN-+denver+ed+martin----


McVey's win over Carter.

http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cd...pos=20&e=-------en--50--1--txt-IN-++sam+mcvey----



Now ,get back to the thread I made about Jeffries being knocked spark out for THREE MINUTES, by probably the lightest hitting heavyweight champ of all time, see if you can make up some excuses for that too.

 

Nine months previously Munroe scaled 190lbs for a fight with Peter Maher, I dont believe he put on 20 lbs during that time lapse, when he was in hard training to fight for the title.
Munroe was NOT officially weighed for the Jeffries fight, and reports of his training state he had taken off all excess fat.

"Munroe Hard at Work.
Jack Munroe is beginning to show the effects of his training already and is fast rounding into great shape. Yesterday afternoon he took on Andy Gallagher, Harry Chester and Twin Sullivan, boxing five fast rounds in all, besides going through his usual gymnasium stunts. A large crowd was present and applauded the miner every time he put in a stiff punch. "


"Munroe Fails to Put Out Sullivan.
ANACONDA, Mont.. Jan. 6.— Jack Sullivan, a local boxer, stayed four rounds to-night before Jack Munroe, tha man who did the same thing with Jeffries. Sullivan is much the lighter man and has never been in a finish fight. Munroe did all the aggressive work, chasing Sullivan around the ring /when they were not clinched"

Sullivan was a middleweight, with no traceable record.



http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cdnc/cgi-bin/cd...os=32&e=-------en--20--21--txt-IN-jack+munroe----

 

But Jeffries lost money on it.:huh

 

This all makes sense, you would hardly call Johnson's style," fan friendly".

 

Well Mac , you keep telling me that Jeffries two gimmees were "voluntaries". All of his defences were voluntaries,if he didnt want to fight some one, regardless of their ability[try Johnson], he didn't defend against them.
Here is a link that discusses Jeffries coin for the Munroe fight , it states he lost $1000 on it.


Jeffries states the gate receipts for the Munroe fight were $20,000.

So where was the groundswell of support for the fight there?:huh


http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...+says+he+lost+money+on+the+munroe+fight&hl=en