Jim Jeffries v George Lawler - Undiscovered fight

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  1. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Here is an interesting previously undiscovered (i think) fight i just found.

    http://www.yournewspaperarchive.com...true&src=search&currentResult=4&currentPage=0

    Presumably this was an exhibition fight only (though not necessarilly). Another interesting part is that he had intended to fight three guys the night earlier. And this fight appears to have been in Chicago. Plus, if you look at the dates, it looks like Jeffries fought George Lawler (anyone have any info on him? i havent checked boxrec yet), a day after he was scheduled to fight three guys, and then jumped on a (train?) to Detroit to defend his World Title against Jack Finnegan (I think i have dates and places right). If this is the case, it kind of makes the Finnegan defence a little more impressive than it seems on the face, doesnt it?
     
  2. mcvey

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    George Lawler fought Jack Johnson on June 10th in Galveston 1901, he was kod in the 10 rd.
    This is not in Box rec,but appears in " Jack Johnson , In The Ring & Out".
     
  3. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks McVey. That fight is also on CBZ as well, i see. Lawler was considered not to be in Jeffries class, which I am sure he wasnt. I dare say, he would have been a decent match for Finnegan.

    Thinking about the Lawlor fight, it was probably a No Decision fight, but i dont think it was an exhibition. This is because the reason it occurred was apparently because jeffries wanted to fight to opponents, but it fell over because laws of the time would only allow each fighter to fight 6 rounds in a single night. I doubt this would apply to sparring sessions or exhibitions (but it might). If this is the case, then it is pretty impressive to fight two live fights one day after the other, in cities which are probably about 12 hours or possibly more (actually i am only guessing and have no idea) apart, by train.
     
  4. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bump, not much talk about this fight, i thought Mendoza, at the very least, would have got a lot of mileage out of Jeffries fighting the day before a World title fight.
     
  5. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Studying Lawlor, "The Irish Giant" recently. Tall at 6-3 and strong, he was considered a possible contender at one point until Ed Dunkhorst of all people de-railed him. Brother also fought and they engaged in several bogus fights. Died young when he fell off a train.Some confusion about whether J McCormick or Lawlor fought Johnson, or did Lawlor use McCormixks name.
     
  6. Mendoza

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    There seems to be some new stuff on Fitzsimmons too.
     
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  8. Unforgiven

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    "Exhibition" and "No decision" were often used as interchangeable terms even up into the 1940s and 1950s.

    In the days of Jeffries, advertising a fight as a boxing exhibition was just a way or getting the go-ahead from the local authorities at a time when "prize-fighting" was illegal. Sometimes the boxers were intending a show of skills, and wore "big" gloves (like as much as 8 ounces ! :lol:) and weren't out to kill each other, but oftentimes the exhibitions were just real fights.

    Later on, men like Dempsey and Louis fought hundreds of exhibitions, many of which were just unofficial fights or tune-ups, or fights they took in retirement, no-decisions. Not all of them were "friendly" sparring sessions.

    I think the record-keeping categories we use often blurs the true picture of how many real fights these men had.
    I'm not sure about the case of Jeffries-Lawler, but it could well have been a serious outing.
     
  9. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    This is very interesting. It is pretty amazing really. At 6 3, jeffries was likely the smaller man, in this fight! It is a shame we dont know the result, although it is safe to assume that Lawler didnt post any danger to Jeffries as otherwise he would have got a Munroe style hyped title shot. I wonder whether Jeffries Knocked him out.

    The Irish Giant is totally unknown by most today, but to be honest, by the sounds of things, if he were around today, he would have a padded record until he was found out, and then he would stick around a bit. It isnt totally out of the question for him to be a Chris Areola type of fighter, or an Albert Sosnowski or one of those types.
     
  10. mattdonnellon

    mattdonnellon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Boilermaker, the link you posted does not bring me to the fight report?
     
  11. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    We keep turning up new odds and ends.

    Chances are that we will never know the whole truth.
     
  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No matt,

    sorry if i have mislead. The link isnt anything special or exciting to read. Just an acknowledgement that the fight was scheduled (the same report was in several papers), so i have no idea how it went (would love to see something turn up, but i dont think that is likely), but i think it is safe to say that it is unlikely that Jeffries was Kod or troubled seriously as that would have found its way into print, i think. I was just speculating a bit.

    Of course, there is also a slight possibility that the fight never took place at all, but i do not think that this is too plausible because of the dates of the fight report.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Jeffries went to Europe and KO'd at least ten guys. I would like to see the research as to who the fighters were. The thing is, many of these matches could have taken place in small towns with little or no media present.
     
  14. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Does the reference to 10 guys appear in Appollack's books or somewhere else?
     
  15. Mendoza

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    I did not buy the book, but I did ask Appolack if he was going to research Jeffries boxing in Europe, and his reply was that was not where he was focusing on.