Jim Jeffries v Joe Frazier 15rds

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  1. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I keep going back to the fact that prime Frazier really did not have a right hand. Against an all time great that's a huge handicap. I've analyzed all the available footage of prime Jeffries and I have to say I am impressed but at the same time there is not enough of it to get a full understanding of his skill level. He was no Chuvalo or Bonavena that I can say with assurance. We are talking an ATG with Jeffries. It's a complete guess as who would win.
     
  2. mcvey

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    The fact that the damage to Sharkey's ribs was caused by legal punches means exactly what?

    I said the fact that Sharkey was fighting with a broken finger and for part of the fight with broken ribs , makes up for the fact that Jeffries had a damaged arm ,and I stand by that.

    Sharkey wrenched his shoulder in the 18thrd and was fighting one armed from then on.

    "Sharkey was out on his feet".Really? Ringside reports say he was fighting savagely at the final bell.

    http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=LAH18991104.2.40#

    Jeffries finished the fight with a lump on his cheekbone ,a gash between his eyebrows and a badly lacerated nose so he wasn't exactly unmarked was he? The papers credited Jeffries size and weight as the deciding factor, he would have considrably less of both against Frazier.Plus Frazier was much harder to hit than the wide open Sharkey.I also very much doubt that Jeffries could match Frazier in hand speed.


    Sharkey went 20rds with Jeffries previously when Jeffries did not have a damaged arm and Sharkey did not have broken ribs, many said he deserved at least a draw.To state that Jeffries would have kod Sharkey if he did not have a damaged arm is fanciful rubbish.Why didnt he ko him in their first fight? The second Fitz fight would have been stopped by all post 20's ref's as Jeffries face was a mask of blood .Neither fight was held post 20's so the postulation is irrelevant.
    The fact is Sharkey was conceding 6.5" in height 33lbs in weight yet he twice went the distance for a total of 45 rds with Jeffries.

    That is unarguable and incontrovertible.
     
  3. mcvey

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    What Chuvalo,[it is Chuvalo, not Chavalo] did better than Jeffries was face real heavyweights in their prime.Another thing he did better, was not ducking anyone because of their youth and colour.
    Outside of Ruhlin, who had been absolutely thrashed by Fitz in his previous fight, being half killed, which prime heavyweight did Jeffries EVER KO inside 10rds ?

    Lacked the size?

    Five foot eight inch ,one hundred and eighty three pounds Sharkey TWICE goes the distance for a total of forty five rounds with Jeffries,some thought he deserved a draw in their first fight.
    Yet Jeffries is going to ko Frazier inside ten rounds?

    I say again which prime heavyweight did Jeffries ever ko inside ten rounds.
    Ruhlin had been massacred by Fitz just before fighting Jeffries, his corner retired him between the fifth and sixth rds when he met Jeffries.

    Frazier would have been the heaviest man that Jeffries defended against.:lol:
     
  4. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    frazier easily, ali and foreman equally as easily.
     
  5. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :goodby about 3 stone hahaha
     
  6. janitor

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    No, he would have weighed less than Munro for whatever its worth.
     
  7. mcvey

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    Munroe did not weigh in for the fight, he was reported as having shed excess fat by hard training. He previously scaled 190lbs for Maher ,yet for the most important fight of his life he puts on 25lbs?
    I don't buy it, not that it matters, Munroe was a 3rd rater who had no business anywhere near a title fight as his perfomance emphatically proved.

    I can go with those who think Jeffries could weather Frazier's punches, but I don't think Jeffries could wear Frazier down enough to stop him in 15rds, his record does not suggest it.
     
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  10. ETM

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    I think that`s a stretch to say he didn`t have a right hand. Frazier`s right hand was always in the mix. He didn`t score knockouts with it but it was a productive punch. He kept his opponents honest enough to set up the finisher.

    When I think of a fighter not having a right hand I think of someone like Razor Ruddock who basically didn`t use it and it was no threat to the opponent.
     
  11. yancey

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    :yikes

    Too bad Manuel Ramos and Jerry Quarry aren't still around.

    They might have a different viewpoint about Frazier not having a right hand.
     
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