Jim Jeffries v Tyson Fury 15rds?

I don't care anymore...

 

You can ignore my posts if you wish

 

Gladly. I should've took notice when you said an old and fat Marciano would beat a prime Liston in 1960.

 

Jefferies via KO

 

Jefferies was highly skilled just why do you think he has such historical standing amongst boxing historians???

 

They would put to shame many of your so called modern marvels

 

Jeffries was learning on the job. The man was a pure novice who learned along the way of a very short 23 fight career. The estimation of his skill by his contemporaries was only in comparison to the scrubs who came before him. Johnson and Dempsey represented entirely new levels of talent and skill.

And by the way, the term "boxing historian" generally means bullsh*t artist charlatan. There is no degree in this field and certainly no intellectual rigor to their opinions. They are largely costume drama nostalgia acts.

 

Burt Sugar was a true and knowledgeable boxing historian who I’m sure thought highly of Jim Jefferies

 

God rest his soul but Burt was the King of Charlatans and a complete nostalgia act. There wasn't a story in his tired arsenal that middling students of the game such as myself hadn't heard a hundred times before and told better.

 

Pretty sure @InMemoryofJakeLamotta knows that. He just writes these posts to get reactions out of people.

 

Jimmy Britt said Jeffries was the best P4P fighter he'd seen after the Munroe fight. Hard to argue there was no skill at any weight at that time, with guys like Gans, Erne and McGovern

 

At the very least you should admit Jeffries was a very good athlete. You can see his speed and reflexes sparring here.

Be sure to click on the video link at the bottom left: Take note of the sparring where he ducks or moved his head than counters to the head or body, that's skill. I've seen dozens of modern heavies work out. They don't have his footwork or movement in general.

[url]http://coxscorner.tripod.com/jeffries.html[/url]

Also take notice, those who saw him said he was a great one. In a survey of old-timers, conducted by John McCallum in the 1950's, Jeffries was ranked as the #1 All-Time Heavyweight by a panel of 12 people in or covering boxing. This is 40 years after he retired, but during a time line when the panel either saw him or had first hand testimonials....#1 over Johnson, Dempsey and Louis. Unless you think everybody suck pre 1950, the survey means something.