Jim Jeffries vs Tony Tubbs.

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member

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    I suspect that its more than likley.

    It is hard to judge how hard a puncher Jeffries was, but he was undoubtedly a brilliant attrition finisher.
     
  2. mcvey

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    Maybe I was too dogmatic in my phrasing J?
    I have a picture of Tyson caving Tubbs in with a quick left hook.
    Jeffries had a good one.
     
  3. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    A footnote during an era considered "lost" is far away from being compared with a fighter who dominated a classic era.
     
  4. Mendoza

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    ^^^This. Tubbs could dance around a bit, and box but Jeffries was an all time body puncher, and fast handed. The games would end for Tubbs in the mid to late rounds. Jeffries via TKO/KO.
     
  5. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Jeffries was a great fighter in a division which was otherwise dominated by the modern equivalent of light heavyweights, and ones which on the film we have, look decidedly amateurish.

    You simply can not compare that nascent era to the one in which Tubbs fought, in which the division was ruled by modern, true heavies of exceptional pedigree.

    And if you want to bring up Tubbs being KO'd by Butler and Ellis, he was already at an age when Jeffries was retired. I'll take the Tubbs of the Smith fight, a bigger, stronger harder punching fighter than Jeffries...

    And I'll take Tubbs to win over 15 by decision.
     
  6. mcvey

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    The distance would almost certainly be crucial to the result. If a 33 years old inactive 188lbs Corbett could go 23 rds with Jeffries ,and even when totally washed up at 36 ,go 10rds ,Tubbs should be able to go 15rds with Jeffries and, over that distance TT takes a decision.
    Twenty five rounds or more ,Jeffries has a shot if his facial tissue holds up.
     
  7. mr. magoo

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    This is a fair post.. And another point, is that Tubbs would quite possibly be the largest fighter Jeffries ever fought as well as being one of the most skilled and mobile.. Not to mention, the only prime African American fighter he ever met and asside from Johnson who beat him.
     
  8. Seamus

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    He beat a completely washed up Peter Jackson and Bob Armstong, also.
     
  9. mr. magoo

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    Yes, Hank Griffin, Peter Jackson and Bob Armstrong were all black I believe, but at least two of those guys were past, or Jackson certainly was.
     
  10. choklab

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    Tubbs was not beating much against smith.
    Tubbs never dominated any great fighters. He liked to drag things down to a friendly waltz and a lazy pace. marvis frazier also beat smith, aldison rodrigues also beat smith. bones was outpointed by most fighters who lasted the distance with him because smith always got outboxed. prime tubbs only other fair win was beating page who was also 50-50 at contender level himself...its the thinnest of all resumes even if you include close fights he lost.
    Tubbs was crafty but all he could do at world level was neutralise, he never dominated. Joe bugner was a better fighter.
     
  11. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    I think the heavyweights who go 50-50 in the 1980's reign like Gods in the 1890's.
     
  12. mr. magoo

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    Scary thought for me, is that if Gerry Cooney's career had spanned from say 1899 to 1905, he might have been hailed as the greatest heavyweight of all time.
     
  13. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how do you think cooney would of faired against jeffries
     
  14. mr. magoo

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    If he could land on Jeff with any regularity, he probably stops him before long... The much smaller Joe Choynski and Fitzsimmons ( who was also past it) managed to bust him up pretty good and I think Choynski even broke his nose.. Jeffries' defense was questionable... Sure he survived to win all of his prime outings, but against much smaller men, many of whom were out of prime... A 25 year old Gerry Cooney with a size of 6'7", 225 lbs, brutal left hook and fast starting ability would have brought something new to the table..
     
  15. Mr Butt

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    i am one that thinks cooney wasted his talent and could of been a really good fighter .i would pick cooney over jeffries in a H2H contest but i am now sure i will get done like a kipper by most posters on the classic:D