Jim Lampley: Golovkin is "deteriorating" as a fighter

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  1. Work the body

    Work the body Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He is declining obviously which makes it all the more impressive that he was able to set that pace for 12 rounds against a prime elite fighter.
     
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    That Lampley is pointing to a decline in Golovkin goes to show that he broadcast and called the fight with the mindset that Golovkin would be to much for Canelo. When it didn't quite go the way he had predicted to the media beforehand, here comes the hoards of excuses to cover up the hype build that had for Golovkin.

    Brook, Jacobs and then Canelo.
    Those are the best skilled fighter by far that Golovkin has ever faced, and because Golovkin is getting outboxed and hit more all of a sudden now means Golovkin is declined????

    Declined? Please! Declined is the Margarito that Cotto faced in the rematch who got thoroughly beat by Shane Mosley and Manny Pacquiao before Cotto got his turn on supposed revenge.
    Now that is a visibly declined and impaired fighter, not the Golovkin that Canelo beat.
     
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  3. SexualPanda

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    Yep that's pretty much how I had it too. I had it more 9-3 but anything else is just rewarding Canelo for getting "close" to winning some rounds. Paulie said it best when he thought even the 7-5 and 6-6 cards were outrageous. You shouldn't have to beat the complete crap outta somebody for an entire round just to win a round. If you control the ring, set the pace and land more punches, and you should be rewarded the round. For example those who said Canelo "Clearly" won round 1, what fight were you watching?? I watched it again, and Canelo did absolutely nothing that round. Golovkin landed more jabs, pushed him back and won the round easily (the fact that all 3 judges gave Canelo the round set the tone for how the fight was going to be scored. . . i.e. give the round the Canelo for any round he doesn't get completely dominated in.
     
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    Very hard to tell considering until last March Golovkin wasn't really fighting top notch middleweights.
     
  5. Manfred

    Manfred Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lampley's brain is deteriorating.
     
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  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Round 1 was hard to score. Neither guy landed anything major. G was more active, but the jabs that he landed were mostly light, partly blocked, partly slipped jabs.

    I made a punch summary of the round, and in the first 30 seconds, neither fighter landed a punch. G's jab with 2:53 left in the round was blocked, G's jabs with 2:35 and 2:31 left missed. With 2:28 left, G manages to get a jab in, it barely landed Canelo almost avoided it but it appeared to connect.

    With 2:21 left, Canelo avoids a G jab, and counters with his own jab that lands on G. Then G throws a one-two and Canelo appears to avoid both punches. (the first one may have landed it's hard to tell)

    Up till this point, the only punch so far that landed clearly was a Canelo jab. That's a lot of missed punches by G, with two punches that "may have landed glancingly" but 5 that definitely missed.

    With 2:16 & 2:12 left, G tries to land a jab to the body, both miss, the 2nd one was close.

    2:07 left, Canelo gets in a right hand to the body, at 2:05 Canelo feints G and gets him to flinch.

    1:57 Canelo blocks a Triple G jab

    1:55 Canelo blocks a Triple G right hand

    1:52 Canelo slips two Triple G jabs

    At this point Canelo is winning the round because he's making G miss almost every punch he's throwing. G is throwing more but he's missing. The only clearly landed punch so far that either guy landed was the Canelo jab with 2:20 left.

    Then G starts to actually land some jabs:
    1:48 G lands a light jab, 1:44 G touches Canelo with two very light jabs, 1:42 G lands a light jab.

    1:40 G is short with a jab, 1:38 G appears to have a jab blocked by Canelo (hard to see from angle), 1:35 Canelo blocks a G jab, 1:33 Canelo lands a light jab, 1:21 G misses with a jab

    G didn't land anything significant there, he landed a few extremely light "touching" jabs, and missed a couple.

    Then with 1:19 left, Canelo lands a quick harder jab. (better than any of the jabs G landed)

    Then at 1:18, G misses a wild right hand, Canelo ducks under it, and at 1:17 Canelo counters with a hard left hand body shot (appears to hit the belt-line?). So far Canelo has landed multiple solid flashy body shots, G hasn't landed a single body shot.

    1:15 Both men appear to land a jab at the same time, 1:14 G finally manages to get in a good a good jab to the chin, his best punch (and only really clear punch) of the round so far.

    1:10 G may have landed a jab, hard to tell, Canelo was trying to slip it, 1:09 G slips a counter jab by Canelo, G misses is short with a jab of his own, 1:07 G throws a jab, appears to be blocked (can’t tell from angle)

    Then at
    1:04 Canelo blocks another G jab, at 1:03 Canelo blocks a G left hook, and Canelo then slips a G right hand, at 1:01 Canelo slips a one-two by G (both punches)

    I mean, it's hard to give G a round where Canelo is making him miss repeatedly. We're two minutes in and G has landed only a single punch of note, a couple extremely light touching jabs, while Canelo has landed some body shots and some solid jabs of his own.

    0:58 G lands a decent jab, at 0:54 Canelo lands a jab, followed up by a right hand that may have landed on G’s arms (hard to tell) then Canelo misses with a left hook.

    With 0:51 left, G gets in Good better looking jab, 0:50 Canelo blocks a jab, 0:45 Canelo throws a right hand the appears to have been blocked, 0:41 Canelo feints G, G backs away, 0:40 Canelo blocks another G jab, 0:39 Canelo ducks another wild G right hand.

    0:36 G lands a decent jab, Canelo counters with a quick jab of his own that lands harder than G’s jab

    0:34 G feints a jab, Canelo reacts and backs away, 0:34 G is short with a jab

    0:32 G misses with a right, then Canelo appears to land a hard counter right hand as G’s ducking. (at first I thought Canelo’s counter right hand missed, as it looked as though G avoided it by ducking, however the camera changed right as Canelo threw the punch, but you can actually hear the sound effect of it landing, Lampley confirms that it landed, and G shakes his head after acting like it didn't hurt him, but suggesting it landed)

    0:31 Canelo then avoids a left hook from G that misses. , and 0:30 is when G shakes his head as Lampley says “hard right hand by Canelo”

    0:28 G gets in a good jab, then at 0:27 Canelo counters with a jab to the body that gets in. Canelo then lands a hard one-two, the jab landed, the right hand may have been partly blocked but it backed G up

    At 0:25 there's another one-two by Canelo, jab appears to land, right hand may have been blocked. Hard enough to move G back again though. These flashy punches are probably what won him the round in a round that close.

    At 0:22 Lampley states “Crowd responding to Canelo’s thrusts but Golovkin blocked those punches with this arms”

    0:20 G lands a good jab, Canelo misses with a counter jab, but then at 0:18 Canelo lands a jab, and G’s counter jab is blocked.

    0:13 G throws a jab, Canelo appears to narrowly slip it, at 0:12 G isshort with a follow up jab. At 0:09 G misses another jab

    At 0:08 Canelo throws a counter jab as he’s backing away, appears to be short

    At the end of the round (0:03) Canelo gets in a jab to the right side of G’s face, around G’s glove to punctuate the round.

    Now I'll agree that G did get in some decent / good jabs down the stretch in the final minute of the round, but for the first 2 minutes of the round, Canelo was making him miss and landing the better punches.

    G was throwing more than Canelo, but he was landing at a very low percentage, Canelo's defensive evasiveness was on fully display, Canelo landed the harder jabs (in the first 2 minutes), Canelo was the only one who landed body shots. And in the fina 30 seconds, Canelo was throwing combinations (partly blocked by G but moved G backwards) then G missed several jabs near the end of the round, and Canelo landed a flush jab with 3 seconds left in the round.

    This round could have went either way, but it's not hard to understand why Canelo won this round. He made G miss too many punches, and landed the better punches in the round. You don't just get rounds "for effort" like you suggested G should been rewarded the round for "setting the pace" and "controlling the ring". You can certainly make the argument that G won the round on those landed jabs in the final minute, but it's not accurate to say Canelo did nothing. Very close round, could have went either way, but a round that Canelo seemed to edge by making G miss, blocking and slipping most of G's jabs, landing body shots, and landing a number of hard solid jabs throughout the round.
     
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  7. Jeff M

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    When he finally fought some fighters with a pulse he didn’t look so dominant. Big shock.
     
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    Lam0ley would know all about deterioration he has been doing just that as a broadcaster for decades.
     
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    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    This guy already did a video on the subject and it is much better than yours.
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I provided time-stamps for pretty much every punch thrown, which is useful for somebody watching the full uninturrupted round which is how fights should really be scored. In that video, the time is blurred but it's visible enough, but in that video it's only showing clips of the round, there's a lot of fast fowarding to certain moments and what not. You can certainly compare my time-stamps and punch summary to the punches landed counted in that video. That video may have missed some punches, when you fast forward like in that video you're probably not getting the full story.
     
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    Kevin Willis Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    You are not presenting the full story, simply the interpretations of a Cucket with an axe to grind against GGG.
     
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    Lampley is an idiot! Bring back Larry Merchant...................
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I went through every punch and time stamped everything so you can check for yourself. You are free to critique my summary and go over certain punches if you have anything useful to add. In the video you linked, there were punches and moments that were missed due to the way the video was made with all that fast forwarding and what not.

    Anybody can clip or splice certain moments of a round and only show certain punches of the round and count the punches that you want to count.

    But in my summary, I think I did pretty well to capture every punch thrown by either fighter. And if I missed something, I encourage you to make me aware of anything I may have missed or described inaccurately. For you to say that I have an axe to grind is ridiculous. I was responding to a post that stated "Canelo did absolutely nothing that round. Golovkin landed more jabs, pushed him back and won the round easily".

    Now G may have landed more jabs, but many of them were partly blocked or very light. I didn't see G "push Canelo back" either. Clearly Canelo did a lot more than nothing, in the final minute, if anyone was pushing the other back with punches it was Canelo pushing G back with those partly blocked two one-twos in the final minute.

    I was responding to a post that stated that G won Round 1 “easily”. So I went ahead and went through the round in great detail and put together a punch summary, because then we have a real record that show specifically who landed, and how many times G missed, which was a lot. It’s hard to win a round when you’re not landing clean punches and you’re missing that many times. Saying that G won Round 1 “easily” is pretty biased because most people I’ve come across agree that it was a very hard to score round since it was mostly a feel out round and neither guy landed anything major. I fully admitted it was a very close round that could be argued either way, but I thought I did a good job of explaining what won Canelo that round.
     
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    Round 1 was very close; I scored it for Golovkin by 1 or 2 punches but it could have gone either way really. Canelo's best rounds were 2-3 imho.
     
  15. shadow111

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    Yup, round 1 was a feel out round, could have went either way but it's no big mystery why Canelo won that round. He made Triple G miss a lot of punches, right? You see that, no? Did you find my punch summary useful? I think that counter right hand with 30 seconds left in the round by Canelo a lot of people probably missed because the camera switched right when Canelo threw that punch. That may have been the best punch in the round. That or the hard counter body shot by Canelo that appeared to hit the belt-line.

    I do the punch summary so we can really pinpoint some of these punches in a hard to score round. I wanna hear you BCS8 talk about which specific punches you thought won the round for Triple G? It must have been some of those jabs in the final minute by Triple G. I just prefer a guy who can make a guy miss that much, land body shots, land hard counters, etc. I respect you going with your favorite fighter in a round that close when he's coming forward, but lets meet halfway here. I'm sure we both certainly would both disagree that G won that round "easily". That was the statement that got me to look at Round 1 in such detail. If any of my punch summary you disagree with BCS8, please bring it to my attention.