Jim Watt AS MUCH to thank as Foster for Froch Groves 2

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  1. GrandSlam

    GrandSlam Member Full Member

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    With his appalling commentary.

    I just got tickets to the fight on the resale, and just over 2 weeks out, I'm f*cking stoked about the fight, so I watched the first one again.

    Watt made close rounds sound so 1 sided because he was using a mantra of 'Groves has answered everything' if Groves landed 1 punch after a 3/4 punch combo from Froch. I might be wrong, and don't pretend to be an expert at scoring fights, but I'm fairly sure that landing one punch after you've been hit with 3 doesn't count as winning an exchange because you landed yours last?

    If you turn the volume off, the fight was a lot closer (I've said this before), so Watt's commentary set up such huge outroar at the actual cards, even though can easily make a case for Froch winning rounds 2,3,5 and 8...which gives you the 76-75 cards. Watt and Sky - despite everyone thinking they're up Froch's arse - made the whole thing sound so one sided and outrageous that there was no way Froch could have won if Foster hadn't stopped it. In fact, if you look at round 8, Watt says Froch should be deducted a point for landing 3 punches when Groves was on the ropes...COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that Groves only ended up there getting smashed because he kept trying to run BEHIND Froch (3 times) to land a rabbit punch. And FROCH should have been deducted a point? And calling Froch for hitting on the break, which he ONLY did when Groves rubbed his head in Froch's face in clinches. Again, Watt never mentioned this once. In Round 2 (or 3, can't remember now), Froch spun Groves onto the ropes, and was immediately spun back, no punches were thrown and the fight carried on. Instead of describing the tit for tat that occured, it was Groves who was 'class' and 'pure cheek'. I know people moan about Watt a lot, but I think his commentary really ramped the bad feeling up because so many people weren't seeing what was in front of them a lot of the time. Hence why the judges scores were so close.

    And as for Foster...I think Two Shakes mentioned this a while back, but up until the 9th round, he stopped the fight - sometimes with no reason (round 8 is a perfect example) every time Froch got Groves into any kind of trouble. The kind of trouble where Froch is usually allowed to work. Watch it again, and see how many times they're broken up when Froch is in the ascendency. He saved Groves taking shots on the ropes numerous times in that fight.

    I also think I understand what Froch meant by 'taking Groves lightly' in this fight. It's not that he didn't train hard enough, or not prepare professionally as people are making out he's implying, but I think it's more in the actual fight itself... What I mean is, he believed himself to be so much better, that just before the knockdown - despite all his preparation and experience - he forgot his basics due to lack of respect. He landed his uppercut off the ropes (the one that some people refuse to acknowledge led to this situation) and walk in, crossing his feet, and gets caught with both feet in front of him, and gets planted on his arse. Now against fighters who he respected (Abraham, Kessler, Johnson, Ward), he never made SUCH basic mistakes because he knows how costly they can be. The fact he landed his Shoryuken uppercut for the first time since 2007 led him to think he could finish the fight there and then, and it was THAT lack of respect in that instant that led him to get planted. Now he respects Groves that won't happen again, I'm fairly certain. Why couldn't Abraham get past Froch's jab? Because Froch was so intent on keeping him at the end of it...he really didn't want a tear up that night with Abraham having 1 punch KO'd Taylor and sent Dirrell to gaga land in their fight. Froch believed the hype about Abraham's power and wanted nothing to do with being macho on that occasion, I'm fairly certain. Why did it take Kessler 4 rounds to land a meaningful shot in their second fight? Because Froch knew he had to be busy because he probably wasn't stopping Kessler, and had to build a lead on the cards. He simply wasn't concerned about a) being hurt or b) needing a points victory at all against Groves, so his approach in the ring was one of taking an opponent lightly.

    Add to that what Catley said on Ringside last Thursday: It would have taken up to 5 rounds to shake that punch off... I think that this time without the knock down, Groves does not have a 75% Froch to work on like he did after 2:40 of fight one.

    Even with the knockdown, Groves was starting to wilt when he was getting tagged, and at no point did Froch look like going down a second time.

    People will say I'm a Froch nuthugger - I'm not, he was definitely losing at the point of the stoppage, the stoppage was definitely early, and he definitely got hurt. I'm a fan, as I always say, but I'm not stupid and don't 'DKSAB'. I'm sure a bunch of alts will start arguments with this thread, but hey, I thought I'd try to start a reasonable debate anyways.

    As much as I'm stoked about this rematch and glad I'm actually going to be there, I really think people will be shocked by the way Froch approaches this fight.
     
  2. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

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    jim watt was really biased towards groves and his commentary not too long after in an overseas fight of pascal vs bute was overly biased towards bute. he scored the fight somehow for bute :patsch
     
  3. RoughD

    RoughD Well-Known Member Full Member

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    For **** sake here's another one....

    Mate the fight was not close on the cards full stop

    Carl landed very few clean shots
    Groves landed ALOT of clean shots
    Groves also made froch miss a lot
    Froch also fouled ALOT

    I gave froch one round-he got taken to school until foster stepped in
     
  4. silly_illy

    silly_illy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    jim watts ruined many fights with his commentry

    boxing history ruined by **** commentator
     
  5. mrbassie

    mrbassie Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with grandslam
     
  6. Sugar 88

    Sugar 88 Woke Moralist-In-Chief

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    Groves clearly won the majority of rounds. The strange lengths some Froch fans are going to try and rewrite history is embarrassing and bizarre.

    I couldn't give a **** who wins the rematch as long as it's done fair and square.

    Yeah, big bad Jim Watt caused an uproar not the nonsense Foster and the judges were about to pull.
     
  7. Funtime Frankie

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  8. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Completely agree. Groves dominated the fight. I have watched it twice and gave Froch 2 rounds. I do not know who would have won but Froch needed to win every round anf get a knock-down in my opinion (which he may have done). The stoppage was a disgrace.

    The rematch is 50/50 again for me.
     
  9. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I too am sick of these pathetic attempts to sway opinion by fan boys.
     
  10. Westy78

    Westy78 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Did GG wins most of the rounds up to the 9th - Yes he did
    Did Jim Watt favour GG - Yes he did
    Was the stopagge a little early - Yes it was
    Was Froch coming back - Yes he was

    rematch 50/50 end of thread
     
  11. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just read on and this guy is trying to say Froch won 4 rounds. Give your head a shake absolutley pathetic why do you think the whole crowd was in an uproar at the end because they didn't have commentary.
     
  12. Pez

    Pez Active Member Full Member

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    :deal
     
  13. antonio plaisir

    antonio plaisir the detonator Full Member

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    i'm sure the more perceptive of you may have sussed i'm a froch fan but i can't agree with slam. not to say watt wasn't 1-eyed nor that froch had no success, sure some rounds were closer than made out but they were still gg rounds.

    it'll be close again but i still favour froch.
     
  14. Westy78

    Westy78 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    As I am mate, you just have to be honest.
     
  15. Dirt99

    Dirt99 Active Member Full Member

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    I think Groves shoulda been ahead on the scorecards but Watt was bloody awful. He just picks a fighter he prefers from round one then ignores anything the other fighter does for the entire fight. He seems like a good bloke but the commentary team needs a serious revamp.