Jimmy Bivins vs. Charley "Doc" Williams

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  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No one ever discusses this one, and I discovered why.

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    1. Bivins landed a hard right hand almost as soon as the bell rings. Williams turned Bivins into Bivins' own corner and landed some shots. Bivins covered okay. Bivins pinned Williams in Williams' own corner after that, landing a hard right, a real big one. Williams turned Bivins again in order to land some blows, but with less power delivered than Bivins had. Bivins.
    2. Williams throws some hard left jabs as opposed to the useless paws he threw in round 1. Little else occurred. Williams.
    3. Williams being drawn more into a fight more likely to go Bivins' way. The two swapped solid punches in a few brief exchanges in the last 30 seconds. Bivins.
    4. Left hook knocked Williams' mouthpiece out. Clearly a Bivins round. Bivins.
    5. Bivins was superior at long range, despite being much smaller. Williams ripped Bivins' head upwards with a right uppercut as Bivins was moving in on him. Williams also landed a good left-right on a bobbing Bivins. Bivins (although Williams landed the more significant blows).
    6. A left hook shook Williams up mid-round. Williams fired back and missed. Dull. Bivins.
    7. Also a snoozer, except near the end, a straight left and right hand landed by Bivins were very hard. Bivins.
    8. A couple light lefts wobbled Williams early. The two exchanged some hard blows while Williams was on the ropes. Really the only good round of the fight. Bivins.
    9. Bivins glanced a right on Williams, who turned behind Bivins and slipped. Even.
    10. Bivins pursued and accomplished nothing. Bivins.

    Final score: 9-0-1 for Bivins.

    Verdict: Is this a miserable experience? Yes. However, I learned something from @KasimirKid, particularly when I was covering Jack Sharkey's fights. Something interesting can be learned or observed in almost any fight. Though neither interesting either in action or in technique to me, Williams was recovering from polio treatment at the time, so to see him last the 10-round distance against Bivins was pretty amazing to me.
     
  2. Gazelle Punch

    Gazelle Punch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I didn’t rewatch the fight because I like myself but Bivins was a bit boring in some film but part of that is every filmed fight he seems to be in is **** poor quality. And none were when he was in his prime. Would have been nice to see him v Charles or Walcott when they were all in prime
     
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  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His fights with Moore and Charles sound like sone of the best fights of all time to me.
     
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  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    William, I scored this awhile back but never added it to the scorecard thread, which I shall remedy. Not to be a wise guy but I think you actually have it as 8-1-1. Just sayin'. Anyways, here is what I wrote:

    Jimmy Bivins v Charley (Doc) Williams

    Round 1: Bivins
    Round 2: Bivins
    Round 3: Bivins
    Round 4: Bivins
    Round 5: Even
    Round 6: Bivins
    Round 7: Williams
    Round 8: Bivins
    Round 9: Bivins
    Round 10: Even

    Total: 7-1-2 Bivins

    Actual scores were 6-4 (twice) for Bivins and 5-4-1 for Williams and I really have to take all those scores to task. I cannot make a case for Williams in this fight. In fact, I felt overly charitable scoring 2 even rounds. Williams didn't help his cause on my card by allowing the smaller, light-hitting Bivins to push him around all night. I really liked Bivins in this fight. It reminded me of the bout between the light-hitting Ralph Dupas and the hard banging Charley Scott because, like Dupas, Bivins fought right in the pocket depending on a high volume of punches whilst ducking/dodging/bobbing/weaving right in front of his opponent. And remember, this was the 1951 version of Bivins who already had over 100 fights. I would have loved to seen him in his prime of '41 - '45
     
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  5. Jason Thomas

    Jason Thomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    "miserable experience? Yes."

    Kind of my take. Williams ran most of the fight with Bivins chasing after him. I was very surprised by the close split decision scoring. I would have scored it much like you did.

    Bivins carried the fight, but didn't look impressive.

    Thanks for posting.
     
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  6. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No! You're not being a wise guy. Good catch. Thanks scar.
     
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