Jimmy Ellis vs RJJ @ Heavy 15rds

Which 2nd raters did Ellis knock out? I have asked this question several times in this thread already.

 

I think a better question is how many Heavyweights did Jones KO? Whether they were 2nd, 3rd, or 4th raters? Zero? :roll: OK.

 

He still won, thats the point. Even after dropping 24Lbs. which was your point for losing the 2nd fight by KO, I imagine.

 

Jones doesn't need to knock Ellis out. He'll just outpoint him easily, without even trying for a KO. There's absolutely no evidence to suggest Ellis could KO Jones, though. No examples in his career where he had done something of the kind.

 

There is more evidence for Ellis beating the Heavyweight version of Jones then not. End of. That you dont see that sez more about you than the people who believe Ellis is dead certain to KO Jones.

 

Ellis wasn't skillful or clever enough for Jones. It is one thing beating the likes of Quarry, Bonavena, Mathis, getting a gift decision over old Patterson. It was another thing when he faced skillful smaller boxers like Benton, Hank, Carter, Mims. Yes, that was at lower weight, but the point is those boxers showed he wasn't that good of a boxer anyway. He got heavier, but not much better at heavyweight. For mediocre heavyweights that were at the top of the division at the time, he might have looked skillful, but P4P he was a mediocre boxer (just like Chris Byrd looked good vs heavyweights, but not that good or plain awful vs. smaller boxers). I'd choose a lot of great to good light heavyweights to outpoint Ellis at heavyweight.

 

You believe Heavyweight Jones beats Marciano? Based on what? His one Heavyweight bout with Ruiz? Or that the fading Light Heavyweight Jones pre Ruiz beats Marciano? Or that the Middleweight version beats Marciano?

So, youre moving the Goal posts now after using the excuse that a weight drained Jones lost to Tarver in the 2nd bout via KO because of the weight he dropped for their first, which Jones won?

I think you need to go there after these posts. Because all 3 of these posts are laughable.

 

:-(( :-( Suffice to say those mediocre Heavyweights were all a damn site better than Ruiz or Jones in that Division.

 

Bonavena, Martin, even overrated Quarry better than Ruiz or Jones? You must have not seen them fight. Quarry was mediocre, the other two were plain poor if we don't consider they were heavyweights. Ruiz had been fighting quality opponents for a decade with a lot more wins than losses. In my opinion he also deserved decisions over Valuev and Chagaev. Bonavena, Martin and Quarry would have had 2 or 3 times more losses facing his opposition.

 

Jones had plans to move to heavyweight in 1998. That Jones would have outpointed Marciano.

 

Say what? Unless you consider 39 years old Holyfield and 40 years old Tony Tucker quality opponents what the f*ck are you talking about? Both Quarry and Bonavena were good boxers in probably the greatest era for the heavyweight division.

 

Ellis might as well fight in clown shoes because he would be subject to a vicious clowning at the hands of Jones. Jones UD, stoppage quite possible.

 

What are these mythical fundamentals that Jones didn't have? Jones could fight inside, outside, behind a jab, without a jab, orthodox or southpaw. That's a hell of a lot more than the likes of Ellis or Ali for that matter. Holding your hands up all the time is not fundamentals.

 

Good? They were mediocre, not that Ruiz wasn't, but he had a better resume than either. I don't think Quarry or Bonavena could beat that version of Evander Holyfield.