Jimmy McLarnin - ATG Ranking

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  1. lucatoni08

    lucatoni08 Active Member Full Member

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    Its a simple question, in light of the recent Maywether and Pacquaio ATG ranking threads I've decided to ask the question to the knowledgable fans on this site about where they think the great welterweight of the 1920's/30's Jimmy Mclarnin is ranked.
    His record is very impresssive, and the Irish /Canadian hall of Famer holds the record for facing and defeating more hall of fame inductees than any other boxer ever....
    Personally, and I may be somewhat biased here, but I believe he is definitely top 30 ATG. If you look at the names of the fighters he has faced and defeated (Ruby Goldstein,lou Ambers, Barney Ross, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri to name a few) it is hard not to include him. He never ducked anybody and always tried to right the wrongs against the few people who did defeat him.
    The available footage of him shows exactly how good he was, technically very sound and possesed an unrivalled aggression that would usually see him victorious.

    Just want to ask the question, where would you rank him and what do you make of the 'Baby faced assasin' and his record during a golden era of boxing.
     
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  2. BlueApollo

    BlueApollo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Check over in the classic forum, there have been a bunch of posts on him lately.
     
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  3. lucatoni08

    lucatoni08 Active Member Full Member

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    to be honest, ive never even clicked on the classic forum......must do
     
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  4. McGrain

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    McLarnin is above both Pacquiao and Mayweather unquestionably. He is one of histories more proven fighters (a reputation for matching smaller fighters non-withstanding). Top 20, i've seen decent arguments for his being top ten.

    I think he is in possession of the most impressive first round KO in history, over Young Corbett III.
     
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  5. BlueApollo

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    Definitely do it. It's a sepia tinted version of general with 75% less ******ation. :good
     
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  6. brickfists

    brickfists The Nonpareil Full Member

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    with wins over legends like fidel labarba, pancho villa, lou ambers, tony canzoneri, barney ross, and benny leonard its fair to say he's leagues above pbf and pac
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Benny Leonard was absolutley done when he met McLarnin, in fairness.
     
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  8. lucatoni08

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    thats true, but i think mclarnin was slowing down himself, even if he was only 27 or something like that, different times...
    I watched a great program on Setanta(god bless them..) about 3 months ago about Jimmy Mclarnin, it was an extensive interview with the guy reminiscing about all his old fights with added footage...It was a great program.... anybody know any good books about Mclarnin or even boxing books from that era, that time really interests me...
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    This is a great read on Jimmy:


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    Can you remember what the doc was called?
     
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  10. Sweet Pea

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    Leonard was obviously past his prime and at the end of his career, but he was consistently beating top fighters just like he always had prior to being poleaxed by McLarnin.

    As for his ranking, if you actually take a good look at his record, I'd say he clearly has one of the 10 best resumes in boxing history.

    Check this out:

    Barney Ross
    Tony Canzoneri
    Lou Ambers
    Young Corbett III
    Pancho Villa
    Billy Petrolle X2
    Louis Kid Kaplan
    Bud Taylor
    Sammy Mandell X2
    Benny Leonard
    Fidel LaBarba X2
    Sammy Fuller
    Al Singer
    Sid Terris
    Joe Glick X3
    Ruby Goldstein
    Jackie Fields
    Sergeant Sammy Baker
    Ray Miller

    All fighters McLarnin holds wins over. Unlike many other fighters of the day, McLarnin wasn't one who had hundreds of fights to pad and build up his record over time. He got all his work done in under 70.
     
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  11. lucatoni08

    lucatoni08 Active Member Full Member

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    To be honest I cant remember the name, i'm sure one of the lads in the Irish boxing forum will probably remember..I'd say Doug.ie will know.....
    I think i'll order that tomorrow...His life outside boxing was very colourful by all accounts so should be a good read..
    I'm just amzed by that statistic of beating 11 fellow hall of famers, if someone was to do that nowadays it would be remarkable. Mayweather for example would have to beat Hatton, de la hoya, mosely, pacquaio,tszyu, cotto (possibly), Gatti, corrales, marquez, and ive run out of names.....
     
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    also, when he did lose he almost always successfully avenged his loss, which as we know is the sign of a true champion and not a champion with a perfect record that has been padded.....
     
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  13. McGrain

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    Given how deep the resume is, I don't understand why you keep mentioning these two. LaBarbara was 1-0 the first time the two met, according to boxrec. McLarnin was something like 20-0 officially with plenty of other fights unrecorded. The real story is that Fidel managed a ****ing draw in one of their contests.

    Seriously, you need to credit Al Greenfield for beating Armstrong if you're going to toss these wins up for McLarnin. They're pretty much meaningless.
     
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  14. Sweet Pea

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    Totally false.

    Armstrong was very inconsistent early in his career, and fought losses and draws to many lesser fighters before he really hit his stride. He was a guy who built up his standing through experience.

    LaBarba, on the other hand was an Olympic Gold medalist who made a splash in his debut by giving his durable opponent the worst beating of his life. He was a very highly regarded young fighter who lost to McLarnin and McLarnin only in the early portions of his career. In fact, he drew with Newsboy Brown and beat Frankie Genaro to become Flyweight champion almost immediately after losing to McLarnin the last time.

    There's more to it than the number of fights someone's had. Do you not rate Nana Konadu's second round KO over Veeraphol Sahaprom because of how early in his career it took place? He was a defending champion, after all, and a highly regarded fighter even at that stage.
     
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  15. asero

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    30-40
     
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