Jimmy Young - "The Ali Fight Was the Turning Point"

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  1. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    They would indeed Russell...and remember, Young stuck his head outside the ring...leaving his body inside the ropes as a legit target for Ali, but....Ali either couldn't or wouldn't go for the body, so Jimmy's tactic was, IMO, every bit as legit as the rope-a-dope...except there was no love affair for Jimmy Young by the hoi polloi...the press and all the other "beautiful people" like there was for Ali......and the stench from that double standard nearly always overwhelms me, frankly.
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Jimmy just beat Ali's ass and got screwed out of the title, plain and simple.
     
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  3. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wonder what round he hurt Ali's ear drum in. Any idea?
     
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  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    In my opinion, it was in the first round when he hit and surprised Ali with a solid right to the head.
     
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  5. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    You know, that would explain a lot about why Ali looked so terrible and "off" all night. :lol: Would explain a whole lot to a whole lot of people, actually.

    Ali was used to being out of shape and yet still embarrassing elite, young talent like Dokes years after the Young fight, and yet he here, in a real fight, could accomplish less than nothing over the course of 15.

    Like I've already said, no one ever did that to Ali. Period. Any version of him. Only Young.
     
  6. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I've explained the difference, if your body is outside the ropes it is not a legal target,if you are leaning back as far as the ropes will permit but still inside them ,your opponent has every right to continue hitting you. I'm not a worshipper but neither am I a hater like you and keep your smart mouth for those that appreciate you snotty ****! It's not my fault you are too dumb to see the difference.
     
  7. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Supposition is not fact .
     
  8. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    This response is so stupid it really doesn't deserve a reply.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Pity it doesn't overwhelm you to the point of putting you into CATATONIA
     
  10. joebeadg

    joebeadg Well-Known Member Full Member

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    inside the ropes, yes, but outside the ring. and what cobra just said there, post after post, after post. Jimmy Young kicked a lot of ass! Some people just don't know it!!!!!
     
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  11. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Yes, apparently McVey doesn't know it. His logic makes no sense. He says the rope-a-dope was legit because even though Ali was leaning on those loose ropes far back enough to be in the first row of the spectator's seats, his body, after all, was still in the ring as a target, but he hypocritically condemns Jimmy Young's tactic of sticking his head through the ropes, even though Young's body was very much still in the ring as well...a legit target for his idol Ali to fire away at. Ali had an opportunity to go for Young's body, but as I mentioned before, he either couldn't because he wasn't a body puncher, or he chose not to because he was a bit flummoxed by Young...unlike any opponent he ever fought before. Politics and dirty officials beat Jimmy Young, not Ali.
     
  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    :nonono You wish death on a poster with a differing opinion McVey? Shame on you :nonono....That Cuban vacation you took didn't do you any good at all. You need to go on a much longer, more restful, tranquil vacation next time,...to a tropical island in the middle of the Pacific ocean...and don't hurry back.:)
     
  13. SolomonDeedes

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    If you don't understand the difference between leaning on the ropes while facing your opponent and turning your back on your opponent to stick your whole upper body out of the ring, no one can really help you.
     
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  14. Cecil

    Cecil Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm at a loss how the rope a dope can be questioned for it's legality!
    Ali wasn't exactly fighting from the front row in there,all I saw was a monster trying to smash the head and liver of a stationary target, inside the ropes.
    I mean if Ali had announced before the fight that this was going to be his tactics against George Foreman of course there would have been a universal chorus of approval.
    "Good idea Ali, lay on the ropes against Foreman."
     
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  15. mcvey

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    Catatonia isn't death you idiot! You began the nonsense with your snidey remarks about Ali being my idol,Im nearly70 I don't have idols.
    Young had more than his head outside the ropes numb nuts.Read this.

    Seven years younger and 21 pounds lighter, Young adopted a strategy of fighting aggressively from a distance, landing numerous light blows while dodging and parrying Ali's counterpunches, and using his body blows, which had little power behind them but were effective at scoring points. At close quarters, Young would turn passive. He retreated whenever possible, and often kept his head ducked very low to force Ali not to punch him in the head (it is illegal to punch a fighter in the back of the head) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch.

    On several occasions when Ali was inside and Young had his back to the ropes, Young would intentionally put his head or upper body out of the ring to compel the referee to separate the fighters. To some[who?], Young's was a brilliant strategy of neutralizing his opponent's strengths and forcing the bout to be fought on his own terms, exposing Ali's inability to fight a counterpuncher. To others[who?], it seemed cowardly as he forced a stoppage to the fight every time Ali held the advantage.

    The referee did at one point during the fight initiate a count due to Jimmy Young being outside the ropes. The fight went the full 15 rounds with a controversial one-sided unanimous decision going to Ali. Referee Tom Kelly scored it 72-65; judges Larry Barrett and Terry Moore had it 70-68 and 71-64, respectively.[3]
    Young landed numerous borderline body punches duck his head below waist height illegal and intentionally put his head and upper body through the ropesto avoid punches ,Now watch the video at 2'34 and see the referee begin a count because he is deliberately putting his upper body outside the ring.Educate yourself you moron!

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