Jimmy Young - "The Ali Fight Was the Turning Point"

I never suggested he did it the whole fight but saying he only put his head out of the ring is absolute crap,you are either being "selective" with your memory or haven't watched the fight for some time,do so and tell me I'm wrong.You are right about him busting Ali's balls, he hit him low continually.
I didn't say he was afraid of Ali ,I said he intentionally put his head and upper body through the ropes to evade punches,that is illegal ,so is ducking below waist height so your opponent only has the back of your head exposed which of course he is not allowed to punch.
You can worship Young all you want and are perfectly entitled to do so, the fact remains against a fat, then career high 230lbs,fat, disinterested ,untrained, complacent champion, he was unwilling to take the bull by the horns and let it all hang out,if he deserved the decision and many believe he did ,he should have put the matter beyond doubt by going for it with everything he had ,but that was not in his make up and he paid the price for it.He gets no sympathy or admiration for me.

 

Walcott did the ,"walk away cake walk ",he never put his head and body through the ropes in any of the footage of him that I have seen.Pep only bent the rules against Saddler who roughed him up.What fouls did Johnson commit in the ring?Marciano was dirty ,Zivic was filthy.Dempsey hitting the heart and neck area is perfectly legitimate I can't think of any occasion when Dempsey used his elbows to which fights are you referring?
Hopkins bent the rules and I dislike him for his cynical exploitation of them.
Evander used his head in several fights.
I never started this aggravation but I sure as **** won't allow it to become one way traffic.Be courteous to me and I respond in kind.
Just read the previous posts.Peace.

 

As you know when Dempsey fought they were allowed to stand over an opponent & batter him upon arising so were not many rules back then but the old wolf Jack D caught Sharkey with a nice sneaky ball shot before that vicious left hook. Johnson pulled down on the neck, cuffed thumbed,slapped & wrestled & held but all part of the game back then. Many fighters had eye issues because eye gouging was common. I agree with you on Hopkins.

I admire the old school fighters & trainers but part of the game back then was how to get away with it but they do cross the borders at times

Peace Mac

 

Actually the then rules stated that in the event of a KD the fighter scoring it was required to move away until his opponent was upright and able to continue to box. The rules were clarified after the Dempsey v Firpo fight to the scorer of the KD must retire to the furthest neutral corner,Nat Fleischer had lobbied for the wording to be made more explicit and it was clarified.Dempsey had gotten away with standing directly over both Willard and Firpo and banging them as they arose,because the rule was not enforced .Jack met his Waterloo when he fought Tunney the second time and was hoist with his own petard ,refusing to go to a neutral corner, the referee refused to pick up the count, interestingly enough ,when Tunney knocked Jack down in the 8th the ref immediately began a count before Tunney had even moved away.
Dempsey hit Sharkey with several borderline blows ,but Sharkey should have been the last person to moan given his fights with Scott and Schmeling.
Johnson fought in an era where hitting in the clinches was arrived at by mutual decision of the participants. Burns agreed to it when he defended against Jack because he was an excellent in fighter, but Jack was far too powerful for him and just held him with one arm and uppercut him with the other ,all perfectly acceptable as agreed before hand.
I've never heard or read of Johnson thumbing an opponent.
Yes Peace, no harm done.

 

No worries you got heated ,and I overreacted lets move on!

 

Cobra, you've spent so much time apologizing today in this thread that you missed all the good content I posted up.

 

Don't tell anyone but I have footage of Foster against Fourie I, and also an extremely high quality ABC broadcast copy of Foster's fight against Jorgre Victor Ahumada (Maybe the best quality footage of Foster I've ever seen, it's seriously razor sharp. Wait till' you see the upload!

Figured that kind of footage might be more to your liking than some of the recent stuff I've done? Early 70's Light Heavyweights and all that...

 

Oh man, reminds me of having to do my girlfriends taxes just a few days ago, last moment.

Only have one cat in this house and he's an adorable glutton that we adopted not even a year ago. I love cats, hahaha.

 

take good care of those babies!!!!

 

Just rewatched the fight still have Young winning. If you’re an Ali fan, I can see you upset by the tactics Jimmy used, and he could of been punished harder by the ref, but Ali was credited with a knockdown for one of the attempts. If the Ref let it go, I see no reason why Young should be penalized by the judges. Ali crowded Jimmy and Jimmy conveniently bent out of the ring for a reprieve. He should of been warned for the infraction, to me it was his version of a clinch. He should of just clinched Ali when he got crowded like that and let the ref break them. He only did it once in the first 11 rounds and then at the end of 12th - where he took a count and a couple times in the 13th.
Ali was no stranger to bending rules himself, from repeatedly holding the back of Frazier’s head in their rematch, to illegally receiving smelling salts in his corner in the Cooper fight (and having his glove split open), to leaning back and giving the fans a dull strategy for round after round against Foreman. Many other infractions as well. Truth of the matter is Ali was out of shape for this bout and Young outboxed him. His punches were far crisper and his counters were much sharper. Ali got a beneficial call for being Ali.

 

Gotta love the one judge that had Muhammad winning 13 rounds.