Jimmy Young - "The Ali Fight Was the Turning Point"

That was ridiculous whoever you went for it was close ,imo.

 

Are you sure? Which Judge was that? I don’t see that on the box.rec?

 

I'd like to give this 'debate' a rest once and for all!
As I've said, I don't think the 'ring duck out' was illegal at the time.
I'm reminded of the Earl Weaver (brief) strategy of score carding an off-day pitcher in the DH slot waiting to see who the opposing pitcher would be, then pinch hitting a hitter after seeing who the opponent's starter would be. A rule bender? yes, but legal.
The fact is a declining Ali was, basically, facing a prime Ali in their fight.
Jimmy, basically, was a pre-exile Ali beating him with similar tactics. Fought well all night, came on after the tenth, and beat him to the punch repeatedly. They gave the fight to Ali, let's move on. There simply is no need to bash Young during that period.
My $0.02

 

Uhhh no. Jimmy acknowledged sticking his head out of the ropes to relieve the pressure. You cannot argue that someone is displaying Ring Generalship or even Good Defense by temporarily fleeing the ring, never mind Effective Agression.
I also don’t think that anyone is going to confuse Jimmy Young with a pre-exile Muhammad Ali. Jimmy had none of the dynamic movement, nor the combination of size and speed displayed by a youthful Ali.

 

It'd be pretty cool if as a forum (classic) reviewed a fight a week that was a close/somewhat controversial fight on a RBR basis and compare scorecards, why we gave the round to said fighter. It would probably expose a certain bias towards or against different fighting styles and our favourite/most disliked fighters. Young-Ali seems like a good place to start.

 

Uhhh no. That wasn't what I was saying. But post-exile Ali was 'supposed' to walk through Jimmy and, instead, faced a 'sort-of' pre-exile Ali who didn't allow him any real opportunities throughout. Most of us accept the decision, as I said, so let's just move on and stop 'trashing' Young.

 

Who suggested Ali was supposed to walk through Young? Young was ranked number 3 had been number 2 the year previously and would be number 2 the year after.Ali was 35 years old and weighed , at that time a career high 230lbs.
Young had a golden opportunity to put things beyond doubt and imo he pissed on it by his illegal tactics which should have been penalised each time he did it with a standing count,instead of which he was only given one count. That isn't trashing him, it's stating the facts.

 

Well, if u want to penalize a fighter for each broken rule Ali's record wouldn't b very good now, would it? Oh, no! We only want to penalize OTHER fighters, not Ali!

 

Agreed.

The bottom line is that Ali was the Champion who made alot of $ for the game and the powers that be didint want to let him go yet. The only way that fight was close is if you give Ali credit for ineffective aggression. Missing punches and getting drilled by crisp counters. The is not the way boxing is supposed to be scored. Then we had the Norton fight later and one judge even had Ali winning the 1st Spinks fight. LOL.

 

I never trashed Young. I will always have a soft spot for him. He never seemed to have decent support and was actually tied to shady Blinky Palermo. A classic what if story. I wished he had squandered his opportunity that strange Maryland night.

 

No, I want to penalize every fighter that breaks the rules.Why do you assume that because I brought up Young's illegal tactics I would give Ali a pass for breaking the rules? It's a nonsensical assumption.

 

Jimmy Young. Overrated!!! 188 lb. Pat Cuillo beat him up for 10 rounds.

 

I’m sorry I can’t get over jimmy Young purposely turning away his body outside the ropes....I mean it looks very ridiculous in a bad way.....

They counted it as knockdowns right? Why the heck would jimmy do that