Sure. And Sanders is a few levels above Young in quality. Young's final record was 35-18-3 and Sanders was 46-4, which kind of speaks for itself.
It's also better than Holyfield's and virtually the same as Ali's percent wise. Overall records need multiple layers of context to speak for themselves on the whole.
I’ve always seen Sanders in the 70s having an identical record as Foreman, Ali would tangle him up and stop him, He’d demolish Lyle (not go life and death) Frazier and Norton he was faster, arguably more powerful and the same size give or take, a similarly talented flash on the scene but with the Young fight that’s heads or tales but I lean towards Mr Sanders.
Sanders had a good career but I keep feeling that he could have been so much more. One criticism of him is that he didn't train that hard and I think its certainly true of his later career where it looks like he rolled out of bed to cash in on a quick KO and go home. I feel that he fell in love with his power and realised that he could fight for one round instead of going the distance boxing cleverly. And make no mistake when he was younger he really was a good boxer with a lot of tricks up his sleeve. His physical attributes of speed and power were bonuses rather than the whole package.
I haven’t watched TOO much but he was a total athlete and a once in a life time freak, I’ve read many stories of how lazy he could be and that he hired a psychologist to help her over how much he didn’t like training lol - to get into the ring that mentally detached must mean you have a lot of faith in your skills and talent, paid off and he probably had a good time his whole career before passing like a hero.
The psychologist was to help him prepare mentally to fight Wlad, who was a beast at the time. iirc he said that she gave him simple mental exercises to do and that they helped quite a lot.
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Young had lots of losses when he was green and when he was past his prime, he lost desire after the Norton fight and started coming in like 15lbs+ over his natural weight, presumably because he was sick of never getting the nod in close fights, especially world title fights. Context matters when looking at records.
Yeah Sanders was unbeatable between August 1994 and February 2000. That's the version I'm going for, the unbeatable one. I hope that you take this context into consideration.
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I like Sanders but he did get poleaxed by Nate Tubbs with a single right hand and lost a slugfest vs Hasim Rahman. So I'm not sure if he beats Lyle in a slugfest his chin maybe a bit of a question mark I don't think he takes a shot as well as Foreman. But as for the thread I think an in shape Sanders could beat Young.
I've said this before,Young is an enigma. If he's at his best he'll give almost anyone a fit, if not he could lose to almost anyone. At his best I'd take Jimmy in a UD , whether that version shows up is 50/50.
You don’t think anyone in history could’ve beaten him you mean? In that time period he fought no one of note and the first time he did, he got outlasted by Rahman. Sanders was great whilst fresh, but over the course of 12 or 15 rounds, if you’ve got questionable stamina, that will undoubtedly get tested at the top level.
What I mean is that this is the mirror of the usual tactic of declaring a fighter amazing between 12 o clock on Monday and 3 o clock on Tuesday and then using the narrowly defined parameters as a means of creating a super version of that fighter. In other words, performances like Young's sad performance against Ocasio are discarded and the positive performances hyped up. You do realise that cherry picking performances works better for Sanders than Young, right? Sanders routinely devastated fighters like Young.