Jimmy Young vs. Joe Frazier in 1975

Agreed. I'm having trouble with all the KO predictions though. :huh

 

Frazier does to Young as he did to Ellis early in '75....... Peace...

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:rofl

Young was never knocked out in his prime. Shavers did in I think his 12th fight. Ellis was hardly half as durable as the man who went the distance with Lyle, Ali, Shavers, Foreman, and Norton. Ellis was also a former middleweight (Getting KOed too) not too long after the 70 fight with Frazier. That's just a crazy statement. Young has so much more on Ellis.

 

Young was younger than Ellis, but not necessarily better than Jimmy Ellis...... Jimmy Ellis was a damn good boxer with a decent punch between 1967 thru 1973...... True, by 1975, Ellis was looking to exit the game, but he still fought a gallant fight with Frazier in Australia....

Jimmy Young was a slippery stinker of a boxer who couldn't crack an egg on a kitchen counter..... Young had lived off his close shave loss to Ali in 1976 for years....... Young had some boxing ability with some slick moves, but he was not a hot item or a big draw....... After his '77 upset win over George Foreman, Jimmy Young began to dip down to nowhere land....

In 1975, Joe Frazier would've eaten Young alive.........:bbb

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Jimmy Ellis was better than Jimmy Young, IMO.

But Ellis was way past it in 1975, I reckon.

Anyway, I dont see Young beating Frazier, but, yes, he might last the distance.

 

Yea I know. Young was a very good boxer from the outside and would give old Frazier trouble for a good part of the fight.

 

I think he's very overrated these days. I give him credit for surviving Foreman's onslaught in round 7, but the rest of the fight was not impressive, Foreman looked like he just didn't want to fight or he never knew how to.
Young was tricky, but his challenge to Ali was awful. I dont care if he "got robbed", both men eliminated themselves from being the champion in that fight. Should have declared it vacant after that "fight".

 

Why? Frazier became the first to stop Chuvalo and Ellis, was one of the few to stop Quarry without cutting him (in their rematch in 1974) and came closest to stop Ali before he was a shot item. Only Ali and Bonavena went 15 with Frazier.

And this with Frazier being so old and depleted is mainly claimed by nuthuggers who want to downplay his losses to Ali. Sure, he was past his prime, but participated that same year in the HW title fight with most punches thrown - doing it in extreme heat as well.

Young didn't even have the power of Ali or Ellis, and certainly wouldn't discourage Frazier from plowing right in. His feet wasn't fast enough to get away and his feints wouldn't really bother Frazier since his punches wouldn't. This is destined to end up with Young in the corner sooner or later and then it's only a matter of time.

This is based on that it's the Frazier of Manilla who steps into the ring with Young. If it's the Frazier who defeated Ellis earlier that year Young could last the distance, but over 15 I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

 

Probably a draw.

 

Foreman could've easily have beaten James Young in '77 had he listened to Gilbert Clancy and gone after Young from the start of things............ Foreman was there to trick and play games with Young......... Clancy was livid about Foreman's mental approach there in Rico......... Plus, Foreman never did well in hot temps like the day was in March of 1977 down in the south Atlantic.........

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Really? Who did Ellis beat? Quarry and Bonavena? Both in close fights. He officially beat Floyd, but many felt he didn't win (Me included). Frazier said, "Ellis ain't the real champ. He's nobody, he's a chump" after his fight with Quarry.

Because this is 1975. Quarry was past it and having personal problems at that point I believe. What Frazier did to Chuvalo in his prime isn't much relevant. Young is durable and went the distance with huge punchers. The only thing really helping Frazier here is it's a 15 round contest, but I don't think he takes down Young from round 12 to 15.

I actually agree with this. Frazier's decline was incredibly fast for Frazier fans. I don't buy this, and I think it's a cheap way to discredit Foreman's devastation of Frazier. I do think Frazier declined faster than most fighters but was still a lethal force. Besides, Ali of 75 wasn't exactly prime anyway. The thing is, though, I don't think Frazier KO's Young because at one time Young was a great HW I believe and a durable one. Frazier wins, though...

That is a good point. I don't buy Ellis hitting that hard though. He had that right, sure. But Young is a good slick outside boxer. I just think he can stay away enough, clinch, and survive the onrush. I think Young was just durable and slick enough. Young had better footspeed/footwork than Bugner. So I can't see why he can't go the distance. I guess it's the 15th rounds which is the big thing here. Maybe that would be tough for those last 3 rounds.

Do I have to throw the Frazier of Manilla. He was fueled by hate. But I see that point.

 

Who did Young ever really beat other than a mentally flawed Foreman in 1977 in 100 degree heat???????? Young and his fans love to whine how they got dicked in his fights with Ali and Norton in '76 & '77......... Young was wasted by Gerry Cooney in 1979 or so, and never really amounted to jack **** after that...... Young's early 80s comeback didn't go very far, either....... Young and his style stunk like a stale fart that lingers in the hallway of an office building........ I know that's harsh, but I just hate heavyweights who hit like bitches.......

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Good thing I'm not a Young fan. In fact, I don't really care for him. I just think he was a solid boxer for a short time. He beat Lyle twice, realistically beat Ali and fought very competitively with Norton. His performances against Foreman, Ali, and Norton is really his claim to fame.

Note, I picked Frazier in this matchup. No hesitation with that pick. I just don't think he knocks Young out. Nobody was knocking out young unless it was the hardest puncher in HW history in one of his first 15 fights.

 

Ellis was a pretty solid contender/belt holder, nothing more. And yes, he surely lost to Patterson. But he showed a lot durability in that fight as well. Floyd could bang and Ellis took some of his best. He was quite durable. Not remarkably so, but still not easy to take out.

Quarry was coming off the best run in his career when he faced Frazier in 1974. And since beating Frazier very well could be a ticket to a title shot motivation shouldn't have been a factor either.

Fair enough.

Yeah. I've heard Frazier had Bugner ready to go towards the end of the 12:th, but didn't pull the trigger on the final left out of fear of seriously injuring or even killing him. Doesn't really sound like Frazier, but that's what I've heard.

I thought it was logical to take the best version of each guy from that year.

 

Frazier had more KO's over good opponents than Shavers. Power isn't everything.