Jimmy Young vs Muhammad Ali Prime for Prime

I totally scored that for Young. Do you not have eyes?!

 

i don't think we ever seen the best Ali. Vietnam saw to that.

 

True. Past prime Young or not I still give Cooney little credit but people forget that Young stood his ground and was countering pretty well before that nasty cut.

 

Past his prime... Yada, Yada... Young was only 31 and 32 in his good fights against "Dokes and Cooney." Young was trained and in-shape... He just lost a close one to Dokes and was cut against Cooney... Excuse or not, a cut is a huge factor.... And so is suffering a loss...

How do you think I felt when V.K. was stopped by Lewis on a cut / cuts after 6 heated rds? I felt dicked since V.K. got up off his stool and looked pissed... I had V.K. ahead 4 to 2 over Lewis.... However, I've since gotten over it...

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If you class his performance against Ali as one of his best , you must be easily satisfied . I think he stunk ,and so did Ali.

 

which young are we talking about? the one who roy tiger williams and randy nueman outpointed, who drew with billy aird, shavers KO'd or ossie ocasio beat twice?

or do we count jimmy young who exhausted foreman, outpointed ron lyle and made a fat ali look bad?

or the older jimmy young who as a gatekeeper gave youngsters rounds without trying to win?

 

Good post:good I feel Young is grossly overated on this forum. Far too inconsistent.

 

Very true of 1976......hat

 

WORD!

Now, Young was aging AND slipping by 1982, but he lost like five straight fights from '82 to '85... GEEZ!!
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Plus Cooney teed off and NEVER hurt Young...if it weren't for the cut, I think things may have been very interesting later on in the fight.

 

Regardless, by 1980, Jimmy Young was not a big draw or ticket seller, nor was he ever one in the first place... BUT! Point is, with Gerry Cooney being white and hyped to the max by his whacko-twin managers "Rappaport and Jones," who were looking to secure Gerry in a title shot with either "Holmes or Weaver," no way would Gerry Cooney lose a decision to Jimmy Young in 1980 unless Jimmy really put on the boxing clinic schooling of a lifetime to where their was no doubt he was superior... I sense 1980 boxing politics would've screwed Jimmy Young right up the Hershey Highway...


CHRIST! Off topic, but I recall in the summer of 1987 that Dwight M. Qawi easily chased and out-pointed Ossie Ocasio on Showtime in a 10 rounder, but the judges reamed Qawi and gave the dec. to Ocasio... That stunk so bad that Qawi still got his Dec. 1987 rematch with Evander Holyfield anyway....

HOWEVER! J.C. Chavez losing a 1999 10 rounder to Willy Wise and still securing his title shot at 140 against Kostya Tszyu in the summer of 2000 was a wee bit sketchy and odd to say the least...


MR.BILLroll::shock:

 

agreed. the unwritten law of big time boxing is (always has been) "give the money fighter the benefit of the doubt". Its not wrestling since both guy want to win but the powers that be know who has been cast as the "face" and who is the "heel" for all big fights.

 

Young may have only been 31/32 Mr Bill,but he was never the same after his close call with Ken Norton.

 

True. Even a faded Jimmy may have had enough left to decision the extremely overrated Cooney.

 

Perhaps true, but at age 29 back in '77, I'm not impressed with Young's longevity... At all....

Its odd too, since Young was a stylist; not a brawler... 29 yrs is not generally a bad age to be still intact with savvy and finess... But a young tiger like Tyson and even Frazier should be well used up, or thought so at least....

Christ, when I was 18, I thought 30 to 35 was very old to box, but once I hit 32 yrs of age, I said 32 ain't all that old if you've taken care of yourself and not taken too many punches to the head and body....

Really, a healthy man who's been naturally trained and well guided should still be able to perform his trade as a prime candidate up until age 35 for crying out loud.... Some folks can extend that outta health, talent and utter greatness overall.....

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