Jimmy Young

Scores were right, they just announced the wrong winner.

 

The decision he did not get but WHO won the fight is the question....I know a win is a win is a win

 

That "material " had it been used on one side?
Just kidding JT:good

 

Being an American you probably have heard this ,but " nice guys finish last".
Second is nowhere,in a two horse race, fire in your belly and balls between your legs ,thats what makes a Champion.
Losing close decisions ,becoming disenchanted with the game and getting beat by 11 fight novices when you should be in your prime is bollocks.
In 60 years ,I havent learnt much ,except ,no one owes you **** all, no one gives you **** all.If you want it you have to ****ing take it.
Young didnt have it,in Uk terminology he" swallowed it".
Give him Chuck Wepner's nuts ,and he would still be Champion today!

 

couldn't beat an old outashape slow ali. what a fighter jimmy young was. he was lucky as marciano was to be fighting past his best fighters. he wouldn't last long against the cleveland williams version. even ali said marciano was lucky to be fighting OLD men. some people are lucky to arrive at the right time. marciano was champ for a few years whilst ali was champ in 1964 and still a champ in 1978. a period of 14 years. was marciano even a prof that long LOL.

 

lzdie

 

truth hurts yes marciano could beat the ali young fought. i think he would beat the FOTC version. 4 years outta the game, wow what a victory, some on this board don't have a clue about REAL boxing. boxers like ali cameback and overcome hardships that others take for granted. rocky got out quick like ali coulda retired in 1967 undefeated and never came back. rocky was the wiser tho

 

Yeah and it may have cost him his health. It certainly contributed to the state he's in now.

Because Rocky had enough brains to quit on top with his health intact after beating everyone there was to beat. That says a a lot more about the man than someone who continues fighting years after he should've retired and needs the judges bailing him out to stay on top.

No one had even mentioned Rocky in this thread, why the hell did you feel the need to badmouth one of the greatest warriors and nice men this sport has ever produced?

 

cuz the 1950s heavyweights are the most overated era in boxing on this board and i read the same old arguments on every thread and then they credit young for maybe beating the worst version of ali possible not including the parkinsons holmes and berbick fights that should never have happened. as old men and light heavyweights the 50s were great. as an heavyweight division compared to other eras they were POOR. marciano beat louis, tyson beat holmes, leon beat ali yeah looks great on paper but it's not a true reflection of reality. a fighter at his peak beating another great fighter way past his best. it means fuk all so rocky has a big problem don't you think - not his fault but he wasn't tested by a peak frazier or foreman like ali was - he was tested by past his best charles, walcott, moore light heavy actually, old past it louis, did marciano beat a peak great heavy - the answer is NO!

 

Yea, the problem with American heavy's...Young should have gotten in shape and demanded a rematch and kept winning instead he grew a pair of man tits and got beat by a no-power small heavy by the name of Ocasio....This trend continued in the 80,s with the likes of Witherspoon,Page,Tubbs and in the 90's with no weight Limit Bowe, James Broad ass Broad and Gonzales....there fights were boring and Tim Witherspoon had these close decisions...no fire ...Page was hot and cold....I agree with you about Young he blew it

 

I've just rewatched the Ali-Young fight on YouTube and I'm sure...once again...that Young won that fight. I was impressed by Youngs defensive tactics of course...even the sticking his head outside the ropes..that frustrated Ali, but also the light but clean and the not so clean counters he hit Ali with. Yes he was screwed royally right under the ring lights...and the crap about having to anhillate the champion to win a decision is bull****. Jimmy Young should have been crowned heavyweight champion that night...he may not have been "great"...but part of that is due to having been screwed over so badly..it eventually took his heart out of the game. I have admiration for Young..I did then and I do now. His style may not be everybody's cup of tea so to speak, but I find myself strangely enough a fan of these defensive guys like Young. You don't have to be a big killer puncher and knock everybody out to win a fight...the name of the game is still "BOXING".

 

As for the Ali fight, Ali was not interested that night but still won.
As for the Foreman fight, Foreman didn't adjust properly.
George should have picked his shots better. George was getting too visibly upset by Young's holding and running. Tough to score when someone is beating themselves from frustration and the other guy is just trying to survive.

 

Young DEFEATED Foreman...that's what boxing is all about...shoulda woulda coulda stuff is what are known as EXCUSES after a guy got beat. As for the Ali fight...same thing...the old "gotta beat the champion to a pulp" BS...Young won that fight...but boxing politics and showbiz had too much influence.

 

The one sided Ali jerking off and hero worship never gets old. It sounds like General in here at times with the endless excuses and casual shrug offs of the man receiving decisions he didn't deserve for any conveniant myriad of reasons.

But, of course, the tables are turned and things are bound to go sour real, real fast. Mention how Ali held more then Ruiz in Frazier II? Again, brushed off as unsubstantial. The fact that Ali clowned far more often then Young did, what, twice in their match? No big deal.

Also, I love how this is supposed to be the most informed and appreciative forum on this entire site and yet Young was nothing more then a boring hard luck fighter and nothing else, when the man has legitmate wins over some of the best fighters of the consenus best HW division of all time.

Get the **** over yourselves.