JMM is a better counter puncher than Floyd

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MetalLicker, May 3, 2014.


Page 1 of 2
  1. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

    24,087
    27,609
    Feb 10, 2011
    Floyd doesn't counterpunch that much when the other fighter is aggressive. He goes into a shell or hold's the other guy's hands. We've seen him does this hundreds of time.

    He does one thing well, the pull-counter. It's the one thing he does really well. The other fighter throws a punch, he leans back and comes back with his own shot. Of course, this counter doesn't work well when the other guy is throwing combinations.

    Floyd uses handspeed and footspeed to pot shot most of the time, but he doesn't try to aggressively counter like JMM. He uses his handspeed to attack and avoid incoming shots. JMM throws punches between combinations and he does it very effectively. JMM is what I call an aggressive counterpuncher, because he looks to counter every shot. Floyd usually tries to counter a single telegraph shot, which is usually in the middle of the ring.

    If JMM had Floyd's speed and athleticism, he would basically be unbeatable.
     
    MetalLicker, May 3, 2014
    MetalLicker, May 3, 2014
    #1
  2. soulless

    soulless New Member Full Member

    36
    0
    May 3, 2014
    JMM got more power too..
     
    soulless, May 3, 2014
    soulless, May 3, 2014
    #2
  3. jas

    jas ★ Legends: B-HOP ; PAC ★ Full Member

    16,150
    11
    Jan 14, 2011
    floyd didnt utilise the pull back right hand counter punch to the jab tonight. he did once in the 12th round

    its arguably his best punch

    his timing wasn't there and chino's jab was really good when he threw it

    floyd is a masterful counter puncher. he had an off night
     
    jas, May 3, 2014
    jas, May 3, 2014
    #3
  4. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

    31,154
    2,108
    Jul 24, 2004
    Been saying this for some time, that boxistically speaking, just pure boxing of an aggressive fighter, Marquez is better at it than Mayweather.

    Mayweather is good at sneaking in a well timed shot at a fighter coming in at him aggressively, but he does'nt consistently turn, swivel, and look to consistently counter the aggresiveness of the opponent. He shells up and rides the punches, but through alot of aggressiveness on his opponents behalf, his own workrate gets very low as he concentrates to much and just the evading part of it. Its why the DLH fight was so close, and apparently why Maidana was able to be competitive against him, at least so I'm told as I have'nt watched the fight myself.
     
    divac, May 4, 2014
    divac, May 4, 2014
    #4
  5. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

    31,154
    2,108
    Jul 24, 2004
    That pull counter is'nt a good idea against someone who punches long like Maidana. You pull on Maidana and Maidana is able to catch you just right at the end of one of his long wide punches.
     
    divac, May 4, 2014
    divac, May 4, 2014
    #5
  6. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,972
    88
    Aug 20, 2013
    Just wow, really? Marquez is better than Floyd, you actually wrote that
     
    Code Red, May 4, 2014
    Code Red, May 4, 2014
    #6
  7. LoRd_inFamousX1

    LoRd_inFamousX1 Lord of the Square Rings Full Member

    4,133
    4
    May 18, 2012
    These dudes are losing it on this thread. :lol::lol:
     
    LoRd_inFamousX1, May 4, 2014
    LoRd_inFamousX1, May 4, 2014
    #7
  8. divac

    divac Loyal Member Full Member

    31,154
    2,108
    Jul 24, 2004
    There are certain things Marquez does better than Floyd and one of them is counter high workrate aggressive fighters.

    Head to head, Mayweather probably beats Marquez even both prime, but against aggressive like Maidana for example, Marquez even today would probably have an easier time against than Floyd.
    Its not a knock on Mayweather, its just the total "styles" truth.
     
    divac, May 4, 2014
    divac, May 4, 2014
    #8
  9. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

    24,087
    27,609
    Feb 10, 2011
    You can't read? Marquez is a better counter-puncher. I never said he is a better fighter. Obviously Floyd is better because of his natural gifts in handspeed and footspeed.

    Marquez counters more intelligently than Floyd. He is naturally a better matchup against aggressive fighters because he looks to counter every punch. Floyd does not.

    The style of the fighter is in the mind. JMM and Floyd are very different when it comes to counter punching and JMM does it better than Floyd.
     
    MetalLicker, May 4, 2014
    MetalLicker, May 4, 2014
    #9
  10. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    20,253
    2,301
    Jan 4, 2005
    Been saying this for years. The reason JMM is such a nightmare for Pac is because Pac loves his combinations, and JMM will counter in the middle of that combination. A younger Morales did the same thing. Floyd doesn't do that, Floyd weathers the storm then counters.
     
    dangerousity, May 4, 2014
    dangerousity, May 4, 2014
    #10
  11. modernfonzie

    modernfonzie Boxing Junkie Full Member

    11,595
    8
    Aug 25, 2013
    So ONE fight in which he was in the pocket and on the ropes and barely counterpunched at age 37, overshadows an entire career of counter punching? . You guys need Jesus. I say that as an atheist.
     
    modernfonzie, May 4, 2014
    modernfonzie, May 4, 2014
    #11
  12. jrzbox

    jrzbox Active Member Full Member

    1,166
    0
    Aug 5, 2011
    :deal
     
    jrzbox, May 4, 2014
    jrzbox, May 4, 2014
    #12
  13. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

    60,129
    5,611
    Nov 5, 2013
    Going to sleep, bets won, Floyd wins again, great day.

    I'll leave the ******* to continue damage controlling.

    46-0! baby
     
    MVC!, May 4, 2014
    MVC!, May 4, 2014
    #13
  14. MetalLicker

    MetalLicker I Am Full Member

    24,087
    27,609
    Feb 10, 2011
    Not one fight. Many fights. Look at Cotto/Mayweather. He couldn't counter Cotto effectively when he Cotto was being aggressive. Pac on the other hand actually knocked an aggressive Cotto down with a counter uppercut. Floyd shelled up.

    Against Ortiz, he did the same thing. When Ortiz got aggressive, Floyd shelled up. Against Maidana, he shelled up. He doesn't like to counter when the other fighter is aggressive. He counters when the other fighter is fight at his pace.
     
    MetalLicker, May 4, 2014
    MetalLicker, May 4, 2014
    #14
  15. Code Red

    Code Red Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,972
    88
    Aug 20, 2013
    I 100% disagree with you, basically you want me to ignore the 45 fights that came before tonight, cause that's what it would take to assert Marquez is a better counterpuncher. Or do you not recall Floyd countered the **** out of Canelo, Oscar, Marquez himself, etc...
     
    Code Red, May 4, 2014
    Code Red, May 4, 2014
    #15
Page 1 of 2