JMM not only avoided PAC..He avoided EM too!!!!

Probably the Ring Championship matters in other division! If it MATTERS how come none of the TOP GUNS is running after it?! Sometimes the ring matters but Fighting the one who owns the ring and Fighting Pacman who out a ring is more appealing to the boxing fans and the promoters themselves!:hey

It's like owning a Championship ring but nobody cares :| :good

 

Dude, come on, do you even know what I am talking about???? :?

I would rather you know than to get you back with insults.

I am talking about the Ring Magazine Championship Belt, the one that that places you as the one true champion for the division, highly regarded and recognized by the entire boxing world. Even older than the other belts.

With this one a boxer is king and its only determined with a fight between the two best fighters of a division. As of right now, the championship is vacant and the two best fighters at 130lbs are both Pacquiao and Marquez. The last guy who owned the throne was Floyd Mayweather before moving up in weight class back in 2001.

Get it? very significant.

 

NOT a JMM nuthugger? Then why brand me as a Pac nuthugger?

I'm arguing based on the issue and how I see things not because I like Pacquaio. If Pac gets KTFO fighting the bigger guys so be it . . . I won't lose sleep. The point is he has the balls to climb up and fight the bigger guys which will give him more stature and money. Is that a chicken for you? :think

I know the JMM/PAC needs to happen but I don't believe JMM has any right to dictate his purse. If JMM really wants the fight and he is confident of beating the other guy then get the offer . . . no bullshits. If the fight doesn't materialize then don't blame Pac.

It's stupid for you people to call Pac names because he is planning his career just like JMM . . . that's the bottom line.

Now wake up . . . and insert logic in your point of view.

 

Alright, but a fight betwen Pac and David Diaz is just bull****. I will not argue about him maning up to Juan D.

No, JMM can't dictate the purse, but he should get a decent pay check for a fight of this magnitude. If JMM rejects a respectable pay then it is his fault, but if he is offered peanuts then the Pac team should go to hell for being greedy *******s.

Logic dictates that this fight needs to be made.

 

You maybe not a JMM nuthugger . . . maybe merely a Pac hater. :yep

What's wrong if Pac fights David Diaz first? The guy is also a belt holder who beat Morales . . . if you're saying Pac is a sure winner against David . . . you should think again. You head is being clouted by your hatred to Pac. Why is it a bull****? Because JMM is left out?

JMM got $750,000 in fighting MAB for the belt, his biggest paycheck so far. Now If he refused a $1.2 TO $1.5 mil offer to fight PAC who has no belt . . . then it's clear that he and his team are the greedy *******s.

Do you think that's peanut? Isn't that decent?

Yeah LOGIC dictates the fight needs to be made . . . but it doesn't give you the right to give out trash and bull**** arguements. :yep

 

Pac hater? NOPE
Pac nuthugger slapper? YES

Whats wrong with facing David D? atsch
The guys has a paper belt that belongs to Casamayor, barely scrapped by a shot Morales (who many felt still won), and no body knows who this guy is but those who bought that ppv. This is just a low risk low reward fight. Are you actually gonna argue about that? You already said that you want Pacquiao to go after big money fights with legacy points, this is not it.

Thats a decent pay, and by all means he should take it, but from what we know both teams have not sat at the negotiation table yet. The Pac team is still showing little interest in this rematch.

Oh but you and all the pacman nuthuggers have the right to bring their bull**** talk coming out straight from their ass. Please.:verysad
Just because you don't agree with most of the stuff we say does not mean its bull****. Your opinion is not more valid than mine homie.

 

There are other things to consider in this type of matchup and in comparing what MAB did vs Morales and what JMM could and may have done.....

I loved for example the way Erik Morales beautifully boxed MAB and kept him at the end of his jab early in fight #2.
Barrera in that 2nd fight elected to box Erik Morales and Erik was getting the better of him boxing from distance.

Everybody guages certain fighters differently, so I would'nt say that my assesment would be any more valid than yours.....

.....I will say that imo Morales would have less sucess in boxing JMM the way he outboxed MAB.

MAB imo is a little overrated when it comes to being a technically sound technician. By that I mean two men standing at center ring and trying to get the better of the other by boxing, not brawling.

While MAB was good at jabbing while circling and backtracking, he was'nt all that great at disecting another good technician from center ring.
Mab could'nt box at ring center vs Junior Jones, Erik Morales, JMM, and to an extent even had great difficulty trying to outbox Rocky Juarez at ring center.
MAB's sucess against Juarez came in their 2nd fight, running and jabbing against a fighter in Juarez who I've said more than once, fights with his feet stuck in mud. Rocky just does'nt have the legs to cut off a runner with those legs of his.

This opinion makes me feel that although Morales had great sucess at boxing MAB at ring center, JMM was alot better at matching skills ring center than was MAB. So while it would be easier to box MAB ring center, its another story to do the same to JMM!

Just my opinion of course, I'm not forcing it upon anyone, but its just things from my point of view that I've seen and judged from watching all of these featherweights.

Certainly, I think that we both respect both fighters, and certainly Erik Morales is the caliber fighter that would have a shot against almost anyone on his best night!

Respectfully my friend, I'll disagree with you on this one!

 

Well then . . . I'm a Pac hater slapper. That just make it even. :yep

As I said inject a little logic in your arguement. :hey

Anytime a smaller guy goes up in weight to fight a title holder . . . it's a bigger stature than fighting a belt holder in his own class. Irregardless of who are the fighters involved. What are you thinking? :-(

And I can assure you that's gonna be a bigger money fight. :yep

It's hurting you people . . . that desperate JMM is gonna be left out. That's the reason for all these "trash arguements".

Little interest? Baloney. As you said . . . negotiations haven't started yet, how can you say that? Press releases are nothing but HYPE. Be real!

Oh yeah? More valid than mine.

So you're still insisting that Pac is a chicken for wanting to climb up in weight? :roll:

I'M not a member of the PAC nuthuggers club and I have never insulted JMM . . . but if the fight doesn't happen because of money don't call Pac names . . . that's a desperate justification.

:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

 

No problem Divac. I believe that Morales is a better boxer-puncher than Barrera, but Marquez is the better boxer of the three but that alone doesn't determine who wins head to head. I loved how JMM neutralized MAB's counters in their fight, and how EM was getting the better of MAB tactically like you pointed out.

Regarding MAB I think people think he was a better tactician because thats how the HBO team made it out to be. Repeately saying he was the smartest boxer out there and all sorts of other things that their hype machine uses to influence the fans. I mean Morales did get the nod in 2000 in the fight as closest to their primes it could get, even if many people thought MAB took it and also many thought EM he won the rematch.

That aside its the end of the line for the mini fabulous four circle, only one fight left that needs to be resolved as soon as possible.

 

Because he fought MAB and beat him, JMM has also gained some notoriety and further fan support, especially from a community that loves and buys boxing PPV....the Latino community.

When GBP and Top Rank get together. They are going to determine what this fight might and should do as a PPV.

This is just an example......but if they determine that this fight can bring 12 million in PPV money, maybe 7 or 8 million to the fighters and 4 or 5 million to the promoters.....
.....you have a possible 8 million split to go between the fighters.
If you were to offer JMM 1.5 mil as you say....thats less than 25% of the pot, and just unacceptable in a type of matchup with that much money in the pot.
If theirs 8 mil in the pot, then 40% of that would be 3.2 mil, which was according to DLH what MAB made for his last fight with Pac.

......thats more than fair, considering that Pac if I'm not mistaken gets all the PPV and TV rights in the Phillipines all to himself, which would bring him a significant chunk of change more not available to JMM!


So it depends on the pot. I think that this fight is so much anticipated that it will do better than Pac-MAB, if it does, that means more money for both fighters as they usually get a set guarantee of the projected PPV sales and a % more if it goes over the projected!

 

Psychopath, we are just gonna run in circles all night so lets end it here.

Obviously we can't change each other's opinions. I believe that Pacquiao is disgracing himself if he fights David Diaz with all the top dogs ready to fight and that the fight with Marquez makes the most sense and my goodness he should get a decent pay for it. I know what your logic is, but I still believe this is the direction both fighters need to go before anything else.

You can grab your opinions and run out with them. I will still be around to defend this fight from the stupid comments from the usuals.

You say that you are not a Pacquiao fan, but still come here defending him from so called trash arguments. Well then defend Marquez too as there are countless threads out there trashing Marquez from the usual suspects.

Thats it.

 

Now that's a logical explanation. :good

These are the kind of posts we need. No need for name calling and all that ****.

I don't believe that Pac is going up to 135 anyway . . . that's all bull**** press releases.

This fight should happen. :yep

 

You are the one who branded me a NUTHUGGER first.

I responded because I feel it's ILLOGICAL to call a fighter who's going up in weight to fight for another belt a chicken.

Anyway, it's all good. :good

 

Well then. :happy

 

Understood. :thumbsup