JMM vs JCC at 130

I agree; he'd have to be perfectly disciplined.

That's not an easy one; all of their skills considered, Floyd seems more like an immovable object in terms of his defensive guard, and Chavez more of an unstoppable force, which in his prime, he really was.

 

I do dislike them but I genuinely feel Chavez was a better fighter, I think he would have beaten both from 130-140 aka everyone at their best with no excuses, he`s a complete fighter, one of the best ever.

He is greater than both career wise no doubt & in h2h fights he`d pressure the life out of floyd & outscore him in almost every round, if he didn`t stop him he`d outpoint him, he`s too good technically to be outboxed while pressuring in the manner Castillo or Jesus Chavez was, Chavez has the style AND the skills to get the job done, all floyds other opponents lacked at least one of those things, JCC has both.

pac doesn`t have the technical ability to outbox Chavez & if he tried to run thru him he`d be broken down & stopped, Chavez was just flat out better.

:good

 

Yet you give MARQUEZ (who I think is a great fighter by the way, just so we`re clear) a good chance of beating this same Chavez ? :huh

Fair enough :conf

 

Well I was talking more objectively, in terms of who's more capable by themselves. But if we're talking H2H, I didn't say I don't give Floyd a chance, but it's the movement man. Above 135, I think Floyd's lack of movement really hurts him against some of the best pressure fighters in history, and below 135, his aggressiveness and defensive immaturity leaves a similar gap. He's made up his linear style at 140 and above through his superb control of distance and amazing guard, but he gets cornered far more often than JMM does. Listen to what Hatton has to say about the opponent with the quickest feet he's faced:

Fastest feet: Floyd was fast on his feet. But he planted his feet; that’s his natural defensive stance. Probably Pacquiao had the fastest feet.

Through applying the craft of consistent in-range lateral movement, Marquez was able to neutralize that kind of foot-speed. It's a different beast when considering how he'd fare against Chavez, but his particular of brand of counter-punching gives him a good shot.

 

Chavez isn't as great a technician as Marquez is but he would effectively apply pressure and make Marquez work, maybe even drop him en route to winning a comfortable decision.

 

Chavez knocks him down 5 or 6 times, TKO.

 

Actually, Chavez was every bit as good if not a better technician than Marquez IMO.

 

Agreed. Chavez was a master at what he did.

Not to many fighters can use his style and be as succesful and come out with no brain damage.

Shows you how great his defense was and how underrated he is.

 

At his absolute prime, there is'nt a fighter I've seen I'd pick against Chavez!

At 130 lbs its not a walkover for Chavez. Marquez is too multifaceted and too good at countering for Chavez just to lay his head on Marquez' chest and start working. Chavez would have to vary his attacks and keep ad******g round by round as would Marquez.

Its a nip and tuck high skilled boxing/war heading down the stretch.
The last couple of rounds become a battle of wills. Thats where the great JC Chavez takes it. Likely by close UD!

Two things lead me to lean toward Chavez. His will, and his defense was just outright better than Marquez!

It takes a very special and extroardinary fighter to beat Marquez at 126-130 lbs, Juiio Cesar Chavez was that fighter, the best I've ever seen in my 30+ years of following boxing.

 

better than Leonard and Duran in your opinion?

 

Marquez was at his best at 126 where I have him eye to eye with MAB and Morales. He was like a poor man's version of Finito without the defense, offense, fluidity, and confidence Finito had. 130 Chavez still considered green, he struggled with LaPorte, I think 135 is his best.

130 would be a SD by the closest of margins for the younger, stronger Chavez. At 135 Chavez by UD he'd be too much for Dinamita, but Dinamita would be game and land some perfectly timed bombs Chavez would eat up. Classics.

 

Would you take Chavez over Duran at 135, Divac?

 

JCC is so underrated because he became a diva towards the end of his career. The sweet pea fight put a blemish on his legacy. Even though pea nearly emasculated him with low blows.

 

Because Chavez had an ability like no other to get in close and brutally dissect a fighter, his technical abilities are overlooked by the majority who just dont have an eye for the mastery of a boxing master that had the capacity and liked to take it over to the brutal side of the sweet science.
An uneducated eye see's such brutality, and it does'nt equate that with a fighter that has boxing ability of the highest order.

Technically and boxing ablility wise, Chavez was brilliant!

 

Would you take Chavez over Duran at 135, Divac?

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