JMM vs. Pac II: Respected columnist Dan Rafael's take

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  1. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    "The disturbing thing was to hear the crybaby Marquez camp whining and complaining endlessly about the decision as though it was scandalous. They should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. It's one thing to proclaim victory and express disappointment in a close decision loss. It's another to imply that some kind of shadowy element had it in for you and that the judging was somehow not on the up and up. The Marquez camp was almost as bad a few weeks ago when Rafael Marquez, Juan's brother, lost a tough decision in his rubber match with Israel Vazquez.

    There are fights in which certain scores are mind-blowing and you really have to question the competency of the judges. This was not one of them. It was merely a razor-close fight that was awesome to watch because it had many close rounds. Marquez really has only himself to blame for the defeat. If he didn't get knocked down, the fight would have been a draw and he would have kept his title. Sure, many ringside media had it for Marquez, but only by a point or two, and even those who had him winning didn't complain about the official decision."

    Thoughts?
     
  2. Shpion

    Shpion IDF Full Member

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    I personally thought the fight was a DRAW but unfortunetly JMM does appear to be a sour loser.
     
  3. marauder1999

    marauder1999 Champion Full Member

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    Exactly what i feel. If he wouldnt have went down it would have probably been a draw.
     
  4. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Respected??

    Anyways he isnt really talking much about the dec nor did he give his thoughts on who won. More about the reaction of JMM.

    I would say this to Rafael, until you work your ass off for something(which judging from his size, only thing he works is the fork) only to have it taken away not once but twice, he shouldnt stand on his pulpit and preach about how one should react.

    Now with that being said, I have to agree with him it wasnt a robbery and I said that from the start, close fight should have gone to JMM but you could make a case for Pac not a great one, but you could make one. As far as the knockdown like in the first fight its only one round, and you cant win a fight in one round if the other guy is still fghting.
     
  5. randeris

    randeris Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It was not a robbery, but Dan Rafael is wrong saying that JMM can't be a sour loser.. Imagine that you believe that you won a fight clearly, and then, well, you somehow didn't.. You gotta feel robbed and i don't think Dan Rafael should judge someone for that.. Respected my ass.
     
  6. Marnoff

    Marnoff Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Rafael is dead on point. This was a close fight, and I feel the scores perfectly reflected that. We rarely get to see such solid judging, but this is a case where they came through.
     
  7. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    I think his problem with JMM was that he was questioning the integrity of the judges. It's fine for a fighter to be upset if he loses, it's quite another to accuse others of cheating without any evidence.
     
  8. Caper

    Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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    Hmmm......

    Well first things first....hats off the JMM and Pacman for giving boxing fans a real fight. Other than that....I can't complain about the SD win I thought the fight was extremely close and could have gone either way so Pacman getting the edge due to the knock down is all good in my book, neither man loses cool points only Pacman gets the edge in added cool points.
     
  9. PATSYS

    PATSYS Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I had the fight a draw as well. If JMM was awarded the victory, it would be just as acceptable.

    This isn't a robbery by any standards, especially with the KD and the almost equal amount of punches landed by both. JMM may have the edge in total punches landed by compubox count but that was purely due to round 8, when Pac almost didn't throw anything. Round by round, Pac matched JMM punch per punch.
     
  10. enzo

    enzo Greatest Of All Time Full Member

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    I've watch the fight about 10 times now... and the more i see it it's more clear that pac won it. It was close but pac won it... JMM won the 12th round no question... but Pac won the fight.

    PAC won 1, 3, 4, 7, 9, 10, that rounds alone won him the fight. I even thought he won round 11...
     
  11. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    The fight wasn't a robbery. But given that Ford gave the 12th to Pac, his entire scorecard should be called into question.
     
  12. freddy-wak

    freddy-wak M O D E R A T O R Full Member

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    it must be frustrating for marquez, i mean, he is one of the few fighters that can acutally say he's never really gotten his ass beat or lost a fight and this bull**** keeps happening to him.......

    it dont matter though, pac is moving up and marquez will still control the 130's....
     
  13. peter5

    peter5 Marco.A.Barrera Full Member

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    :good It asks the question whether judges actually know what the **** theyre doing sometimes :nut

    Personally, I can see why Marquez is pissed off, I had him winning both fights, and yet he gets nothing, Rafael can go smoke someones ****, rspected my ass!
     
  14. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    :lol:
     
  15. jimmie

    jimmie Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Dan Rafaeal needs to stop with bad mothing he does about fighters and read his **** he does it alot. Hes just a fat writer and not even a good one all hes worth is that notebook on Fridays which isnt even weekly I may add its like everyother week.