JMM was overrated

LOL, so the guy that has a better knowledge than anyone in the general forum turns out to be the most biased of the lot, who would have thought!

I don't let my views on Pernell Whitaker effect how I view current fighters, I let my knowledge of the history of the sport effect how I view current fighters, and surprisingly, I'm not as impressed with what I see as those that don't have such an historical understanding of the sport.

 

I hear where you're coming from.......I for example get frustrated as a fan that the best in each division dont fight eachother......

Fighters today walk into a division proclaiming to be the best, but refuse to fight the best in that divsion they jumped into......

....I'm as frustrated and critical as you are, but its just the sign of the times.....with so many titles to go around, the fighters today can afford to be choosy and not get caught up in a style matchup clash that may not suit them......
......that type of pickiness was less likely to occur in the past because there were less divisions and less titles in each division to go around.

......but I believe you're being over critical Scientist.....while fighters today can afford to be choosy, a talent like Mayweather is so obvious.......the man belongs and competes in any era and against anyone........the same goes for Marquez at 126-130 lbs.

I wish we could have more matchups where the best fight the best when prime and in their respective weight class......
Chavez-Taylor.....
Gonzalez-Carbajal
Marquez-Pacquiao

Those matchups are few and far between......

Mayweather for example should have fought Cotto after he Cotto had just destroyed Judah....Williams having just beaten Margarito......or even Margarito after having just beaten down Cotto......

......but yeah, I know....instead he takes the challenge from yes a great fighter, but one getting up there in age and going up two divsions......

....its dissapointing, but the sign of the times.....its a shame that its the way it is......but there are still alot of great talent out there that competes in any era......
I dont think we should turn a blind eye to it.
The greats of the past likely would do alot of the things Mayweather is doing today if the playing field and divisions were like it is now.....


Dammit Scientist, I think I've discussed this with you before......Ray Leonard I believe deserves alot of the blame for the way fighters pick and chose today, but thats a touchy and extensive subject left for another thread and certainly not in the general forum, if you know what I mean!

 

The ducking and dodging that is going on between fighters is indeed a disappointing facet of the modern game, but beyond that, I tend to think that even the talent levels of the sport are not what they once were, at least for the most part.

Just think of the welterweight division today and the welterweight division in the late 90's for instance.

There you had De la Hoya, Felix Trinidad, Ike Quartey, Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest all in or around their primes.

Nowadays we have who? Miguel Cotto, a 40 year old Shane Mosley, Joshua Clottey and Antonio Margarito.

These guys would all be second string in the late 90's, much like guys such as Oba Carr, Wilfredo Rivera and and rehab Whitaker were.

Floyd would have no where to run and nowhere to hide in that era of welterweights. I think DLH, Mosley, Forrest, Quartey and Tito would all beat him. Being around today though, I think he'll beat all his adversaries, even if he is ducking them right now.

I'm not one of these guys that is going to get super excited if Floyd decides to fight an ancient Mosley or a slow, bumbling Miguel Cotto. Sure it's better than taking on faded featherweights like Marquez, but it's still not an elite contest and if Mayweather beats them, it's still not going to prove that he is a great welterweight.

Floyd is a great fighter for sure, but I don't see many people in this era that are capable of challenging him and putting him in the correct context of how great he is. In this era he appears to be better than he is because the competition is sub par.

Manny Pacquiao is someone that can challenge him, but I think Pacquiao's performances of late have been overrated considering the condition of his foes and he is not that good a fighter as a jr welter and as a welter as is being made out. I'll still back him to beat Cotto, but even if he does, it won't prove that he's a welterweight the calibre of the guys that I mentioned earlier from the late 90's. And really, if he does lose to Cotto I won't be totally surprised because he has not taken any shots since leaving 135 to test how good his whiskers are at these high weights. There's still a question mark there for me with him.

 

I disagree. JMM is a great fighter, very talented, very skilled and not overrated. There were a few problems for him in this particular fight with Mayweather. He is aging, at 35 he is slowing down. He usually used his strength asset over his opponents but against Mayweather he met a bigger guy and he was never very fast and fought against a very fast opponent, hence the final result.

 

I love that this line got its own entire paragraph before you began your analytical dissection. :rofl

 

JMM is a great fighter. One loss does not make him over rated. This is what's wrong with boxing. A fighter loses once and people call him washed up, over rated, or shot. It is ridiculous. There is no way JMM is over rated.

 

Your nuts JMM is an ATG
when Floyd woops him he should fight jmm again too

 

thats why ufc getting bigger they dont dispose of you so easily
you see someone thats suppose to be a star they lose and its over for them...that fighter still can remain a star in the past so many fighters had Ls and the greatest of all time had Ls dont matter who you call the greatest they have Ls

 

JMM is my favorite fighter in the game right now. He might be a little over-rated at this point of his career, but he was phenomenal at 126 in his younger days. Too bad he was so avoided at that time, but even as he aged he was so good he able to become a champ in two more weight classes he didn't belong.

Anyways, if you look at the p4p list just about everyone on that list is over-rated.

Mayweather (own promoter) -cherry-picker (but i do think he's the best skill wise right now)
Pac (Top Rank) - a recent cherry-picker (but proved himself the best of the divisions 130 below)
JMM (GBP)- old, not as quick as he used to be
Hopkins (GBP) - old, lost to Taylor, Calzaghe, and very inactive
Mosley (GBP) - old, inactive, lost to Cotto, almost lost to Mayorga, 1 good win
Vasquez - inactive since Marquez bouts (uncertain of promoter)
Marquez (little bro) - inactive since Vasquez bouts (uncertain of promoter)

C'mon how are all of these guys the best in the game right now? Everyone is either US citizens or Mexican with the exception of one Filipino. The difference between them and all the other champs is that they some serious promoters backing them up with money to give them a name and star power.

 

JMM is not over-rated!! Hes a great fighter, hes just not very effective at the welter-weight level due to his style and his age! Plus not only did he move up 2 weight classes, But he moved up and fought floyd mayweather (an atg)!

 

JMM not getting knocked out by the bigger, faster, stronger fighter at the weight was amazing to me! It showed JMMs heart!!

 

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The last time I remeber he fought, he was a lightweight.

JM simply does not have a frame to be a welterweight. period.

You dickheads make it look like JMM did not deserve his rating! JMM deserves that more than the one who suddenly jumps to number two after so much advantage stacked in his favor.

The fact that he was not KOed despite the fact that he was obviously in decline (except with Divac), outweighed, outmuscled, outpowered, outspeed, and being the aggressor despite being the smaller guy speaks a lot about JMM.

I am sick and tired of keyboard fighters maligning fighters without taking anything in context.

Roach was actually right in saying Mayweather beat the best lightweight because the only thing that JMM brought in that fight was the jump in weight.

 

only thing overrated about jmm is his defense. i mean he got alright defense but i heard to many people call him a slick fighter. what the thread started is saying i don't agree with that ****. jmm is a great fighter

 

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He's a good fighter of the current decade and it was right to rank him as #2 P4P.

However, Marquez isn't an ATG at 126, or 130, or 135.