JMM's counter-punching useless against Floyd, but effective against Pacquiao. LOOK!

One thing that we agree though, he was supposed to fight to win.

After 6 rounds of repititve, same results tyoe of action, they should have adjusted. They could probably have tried being less aggressive, or try to limit their ineffective workrate.

Instead they tried to match May with power to power, speed to speed, strength to strenght. Obviously, it would not work.

The gamble of making May look "coward or anything else" is that Mayweather might be forced to look more than that and therefore have to take risk. JMM might win a few rounds although unlikely he will win especially when his punches apparently does not affect Mayweather.

As you have been saying all the time, JMM is a great fighter and the measure of a great fighter is to adjust or at least tried to adjust or tried other things that might work when what he is doing is not effective anymore.

 

You really did'nt pay attention Pejevan.......Marquez was even criticized in the first round or two for not coming out in full attack mode......for some reason, they must have had JMM confused with JC Chavez.


......but the facts are that Marquez opened up the first round gauging, probing and studying, they both did.

.....Marquez opened up somewhat in the 2nd round and Mayweather made him pay with the hook that floored him.

I gave Marquez the 3rd round because he picked his spots to be aggressive, and Mayweather responded not with counters, but in sheer defensive mode......even letting out a laugh when Marquez caught him with a clean right hand lead that snapped his head back.....

.....from there, Mayweather turned to disrupting Marquez charges by smuthering him and bumping him with physical strenghth.....this is when I really knew that Marquez was'nt going to be able to sustain any effective aggression when he was getting bumped like that and Mayweather's forearm aligning Marquez anywhere he wanted to put him.
Mayweather uses that forearm tactic frequently.....but you really have to be a physically stronger opponent to make that ideally work for you.
To have Mayweather do that to Marquez meant Marquez was'nt going to be able to get inside of Mayweather's reach and stay there.

That would have been idea for Marquez, to have been able to get on the inside and have the strenghth to have been able to stay there.....for Mayweather to have gotten out of having Marquez on the inside he could do one of two things.....manuever himself with his quicker feet, and if Marquez had the angle cut off for Mayweather to do that, bingo, all Mayweather had to do and did was put his forearm out and just shove his way out with the strenghth advantage he had over him.

......and as for counterpunching, how could JMM employ that tactic if your opponent is'nt coming to you in an aggressive manner??? Was'nt going to happen.


Fighters come out of fights with excuses all the time.....most of the time kicking themselves for not listening to their corner or abandoning something that was working earlier for them......
That was'nt the case with JMM in this case. Marquez said he was content and his mind was at ease because he had followed the plan and beside that tried everything he knew to turn the fight in his favor.....but that Mayweather was both too strong and too defensively solid for him to crack.

......the only thing Marquez mentioned was that he would have liked to have had a few tuneups at the weight to get his body accustomed to fighting in it.
"I believe I could have been alot more competitive had I fought a few tuneup's before landing Mayweather."

.....but of course, we all know that at 36, Marquez does'tn have the luxury of fighting tuneups.

 

This is a stupid thread. Juan Manuel did not have much opportunity to counterpunch floyd because he was the aggressor most of the time. On the other hand, he beautifully couterpunch against pac because it was pac who was attacking most of the time.

 

Something is wrong with your comprehansion and how can they agree with your stinking analysis when you are just a pfft sound in cyberspace?

 

Somehting is really wrong with your comprehension. I said 'most of the time'.

 

:rofl

pacquiao is now the runner.

ey nallege, you know, its funny that you used this alt when nallege the world boxing champ alt has been disregarded and disrespected by most posters here.

:rofl

and nallege has been inactive lately, while you have been running all over the board. :rofl:bbb

 

I agree that Marquez was sucessful as an aggressor against Pacquiao......but you take it overboard when you say Mayweather has an IQ advantage as well.....

.....Mayweather had every physical advantage over JMM that is fact.......having a ring IQ advantage would be hard to prove considering that Mayweather worked with all the physical advantages on his side.....


I wonder....:thinkI wonder if Mayweather would have been able to outbox JMM to a decision had it been Marquez who held the physical advantages that Mayweather had against him?????
Answer that one with without the rose colored glasses on????

Yeah, I did'nt think you could prove that Mayweather had a bigger ring IQ than Marquez basing it on the physical mismatch that we saw.:deal

 

pbf:

age advantage.
reach advantage.
height advantage.
weight advantage.
size advantage.

pbf had everything going for him. and just to ensure that he has more advantage on his side, he comes in 2 lbs heavier than what was stipulated. pbf fans put too much emphasis on jmm being p4pno. 2. ****, if juanma is no. 1 and pbf ask him to fight, would it be fair?

120-107. i do not remember a score as one sided as this. if any fraudette here can show me 2 championship fights with a score like that in the last 5 years, i will exile myself from esb for one week.

the worse part is that, i think this was the correct score among the 3 scorecards.

jmm did not win a single round in that fight. so much for competition.

 

Judah,Hoya and Hugton did better than the Pnd for pnd number 2 because there natural Jnr-Wwelterweight.With the size,strength and power for Ww and speed to keep Floyd honest.MArquez a 130 pounder is so slow at 142.He is not strong enough for this weight.He has no speed a vital equalizer for little guys moving up.All he had was his counter punching expertise which is useless against Floy because Floy is a counter puncher too and Marquez played the aggressor, that's not his forte he had never had to innitiate.Plus Floy is too big and faster.Mismatch IMO a good performance but against a smaller, slower and older fighter it is not that impressive.