Joan Guzman- Over rated??

This disqualified stuff is juvenile... Its a great example of people trying to develop some inner clique on ESB that think they can disregard other posters from threads. Give analysis or ignore, but no one on this site is any sort of authority to disregard or remove posters, apart from a moderator.

 

I will need to break this into multiple posts so bear with me. First off, JMM and Pac have fought elite level p4p fighters, and have both come out on top. Therefore, they have proven themselves. They have fought fighters on Guzman's level, therefore are currently more highly regarded. Beating fighters more proven and widely acknowledged as being better currently then Guzman is all the proof boxing fans need at this stage. If you choose to ignore common sense, that is your perogative. A ridiculous one IMO. Your whole arguement here is based on your possibly flawed analysis of Guzman. ------ Next, you try and point to ONE particular fight to prove the defence of Marquez being less then sound. Marquez is one of the best technical fighters in the sport. Your comments here are way off the mark. Guzman was getting tagged very cleanly by Soto and also be Barrios FFS. He clearly does not have better defence then Marquez. If you cannot see this, you need to watch some fights without your Guzman glasses on.

 

I didn't say that JMM couldn't counter Pac at any stage, but rather that overall, he couldn't do it effectively. There were a great amount of close rounds, he got knocked down and he also got tagged with hard shots plenty of times. Enough to see that even one of the best counter punchers in boxing did not have the ability to cimply outbox and coutner punch the entire time. Guzman is NOT a counter puncher on this level. He relies heavily on his fast hands and combination punching. Often times simply outgunning his opponents. He certainly isn't a hit and not get hit type counter puncher like Maruqez or Mayweather that is for certain. Guzman has decent footspeed, but not the counter punchign ability to make it effective. Even against a slower guy like Soto, he fought often times in the pockets rather then using his movement. Pac is quicker with both his hands and his feet then Soto, and is also a better offensive fighter. It is silly to think he will not land more frequently then Soto dd, and that being a bigger and more powerful fighter his punches will not have more effect.

 

Guzman is a brilliant offensive fighter, but so is Pac. Defensively, Guzman is not so good, and neither is Pac. Guzman being the better of the two. Regardless, his defence isn't enough to hold out on a guy like Pac. I'm telling you now, this will more likely then not turn into a war. And Pac is very hard to beat like this. He has good stamina, a decent chin (good enough for Guzman anyway) great power, is an excellent combination puncher and has a tonne of heart. This fight will be MUCH closer then you are predicting. Guzman will need to fight his absolute heart out to win, and even then it will be very close. IMO this has FOTY written all over it.

 

hahaha... This is such a cop out. Keep your childish mind games mate, i'm just hear to talk boxing. You do what you like, it doesn't bother me, as i have said before.

 

hahaha... You take yourself so seriously on here mate, its hilarious. You have serious delusions of grandeur.... Honestly, i don't care. Just stick to talking boxing please. You keep trying to bring up what happened. Basically, you tried playing mind games, and i called you out as a liar. You failed to back anything up, i started to and you pussed out. End of discussion. Why are you so hung up about it for? Move on princess