Joan Guzman Vs Juan Manuel Marquez at 130

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  1. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Guzman has faster hands than either of them :good

    Also Marquez was obviously slower than Pac as seen by Pac getting the better of the excahnges. Marquez jut has very very good timing.
     
  2. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Guzman has faster hands based on what? The speed advantage he demonstrated against Barios? He's flashier but he sure as hell aint faster.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTMttdsbLOU&feature=related

    Im not impressed at all. When Pac really puts it on, he can throw powerful combinations at blinding speed. Guzman telegraphs his punches even more than Pac does and his defense isnt so grea either judging by how many times a guy like Barios manage to hit him.

    This is Pac at 130lb:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT4KeEIfQpA

    Cant find Pac-JMM round 8 anywhere on youtube. But if you got the fight, watch how fast his combinations flow on that.
     
  3. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    How many Guzman fights have you seen?
     
  4. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    personally i think JMM blew his load in that fight against Pacquiao and that it was his last truly great performance.

    Time will tell if i'm right
     
  5. Fedor Em

    Fedor Em Enforcement, VRWC style Full Member

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    JMM has better timing and is a better combination puncher than Guzman though, that will offset his speed and defense.

    This one is close no matter what but I give an edge to JMM.
     
  6. Boom_Boom

    Boom_Boom R.I.P Boxing 6/9/12 Full Member

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    JMM

    Guzman looks great against guys who just comes forward, Soto,Barrios and Jandaeng.

    But how will he do against someone who doesnt just keep coming forward?
    JMM shows he can adjust fast hands, and is a defensive tactician, plus Guzman doesnt have the power to hurt JMM.
     
  7. PacDbest

    PacDbest Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both have skills, Guzzy has faster feet but JMM has more Power. Guzzy will run after he taste the Power. I got JMM respect after he survived Pac. JMM handspeed are underrated.
     
  8. the_what

    the_what Bolo Punch KO Full Member

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  9. CJLightweight

    CJLightweight Lightweight Kingpin Full Member

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    has anyone seen guzman's fight with barrios? How was it, was it close? I only checked the record and its a split decision..
     
  10. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No question! Juan. All these guys who are in love with Joan are going to get their feelings hurt. JMM is a great fighter...Joan is a very good fighter. If this fight happens you'll see the differnece in Levels between the two.
     
  11. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That logic is all jacked up. Guzman gets handled by Juan and KO'd by PAC. Joan is a slick fighter who fights well in spurts. He shows a lot of flash but it's few and far between. He's got some good defense and is pretty crafty but he isn't on the level JMM, EM, MAB or PAC.
     
  12. charlievint

    charlievint Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Nah...Joan's speed is deceptive b/c he likes to be flashy. He'll run off a 5 shot combo with little to no power and while it looks good and it's flashy and fast its nothing with real power or danger. Don't get me wrong...he's an above average boxer in terms of speed but to say he's faster than PAC is laughable. My man Joan ain't even close to PAC's natrual speed.
     
  13. dangerousity

    dangerousity Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    All the fights at 130...because that is where this fight will take place. You cant take the speed of Guzman at 122 and make a comparison of that to Pac & JMM's speed at 130.
     
  14. jupzrooni

    jupzrooni Tyler Durden Full Member

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    JMM UD12. he will counter guzman's looping punches and break him down. guzman is overrated
     
  15. Nestea

    Nestea Thirst Remover Full Member

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    Marquez by wide UD. I don't disrespect Guzman, but he's overrated. He got skills but not as skilled as Marquez.