Joe Bugner vs. the 70's Heavyweights he didn't fight

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  1. FlyingFrenchman

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    Bugner gets mentioned a good bit around here, some overrate him, some underrate him... how good was he really? What if he fought some of the guys he missed out on fighting in the 70's?

    He turned pro in '67. On the way up Bugner beat Jack O'Halloran W8, Manuel Ramos W8, Brian London KO5, Chuck Wepner KO3, Henry Cooper W15, Juergen Blin W15 and KO8, Tony Doyle W8, and Rudi Lubbers W15 among others.

    During this stretch he did lose a few... L8 Dick Hall, L15 Jack Bodell, and L10 Larry Middleton. He even lost his pro debut, LKOby3 Paul Brown. He also beat Brown, KO4 and KO3.

    Bugner lost to Ali in 1973, L12 and in 1975, L15 for the HW Title. He lost to Joe Frazier in 1973, L12.

    Bugner easily decisioned Mac Foster and Jimmy Ellis. He also knocked out Jose L. Garcia KO2 and Richard Dunn KO1.

    In 1977 Bugner lost a SD to a prime Ron Lyle. It was Bugner's 61st pro fight.

    In 1982 Bugner came in at 245 Lbs after being inactive for 2 years and only fighting once in the previous 5 years and was stopped by Ernie Shavers, LKOby2.

    Bugner was hot and cold after '82. He beat Dino Dennis KO3, James Tillis W10, David Bey W10, Greg Page W10, and a past prime Bonecrusher Smith KO1 (while he was also past prime). After '82 he lost to Marvis Frazier L10, Steffen Tangstad LSD10, and a prime Frank Bruno LKO8 (Bugner was almost 260 Lbs).

    So, Bugner at his best... 6'4" with an 82" reach, about 225 solid Lbs... between 1973-1977.

    Bugner had good overall skills, decent power, was very strong, and he was durable. He was only stopped 4 times in 83 fights and never in his prime.

    Here we go...

    Bugner vs.

    Foreman

    Norton

    Young

    Quarry

    Shavers (during Bugner's prime years)

    Also, how about Bugner vs. Golota?
     
  2. kenmore

    kenmore Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bugner-Foreman: Foreman would probably stop Bugner in 7 rounds or so. However, I give Bugner a half decent chance of surviving Foreman's onslaught, and coming back to win late, possibly by TKO.

    Bugner-Norton: Physically and stylistically, Norton had Bugner's number. Norton wins this one by wide UD.

    Bugner-Young: This is a pick 'em fight. Young was the superior talent; quicker and more fluid, but Bugner had the style and tools to win this. Either way, it goes the distance.

    Bugner-Quarry: Prime for prime, Quarry would have pounded out a tough decision over Bugner. However, if this fight had happened in 1974 or 1975, Bugner would beaten Quarry handily by decision.

    Bugner-Shavers: Prime for prime, this is a pick 'em fight. The 1982 bout took place when both guys were over the hill (Bugner especially was not prepared for the fight), and tells us little.

    Bugner-Golota: This would have been an excellent fight. These fighters were very closely matched in terms of talent and size. Golota was the more aggressive fighter, and the harder hitter. Bugner was a superior boxer with a better jab. Pick 'em: it goes the distance, too close to call.
     
  3. FlyingFrenchman

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    Bugner vs.

    Foreman

    Norton

    Young

    Quarry

    Shavers (during Bugner's prime years)

    Also, how about Bugner vs. Golota?

    I'm just gonna pick the winners for now-

    Foreman late KO/TKO

    Norton W15

    Young W15

    Bugner W15 Quarry

    Bugner vs. Shavers or Golota could go either way, maybe even draws
     
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  4. Senor Pepe'

    Senor Pepe' Boxing Junkie banned

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    Joe Bugner versus Jeff 'Candy Slim' Merrit in January 1974, 'a must'.

    Joe Bugner versus Roy 'Tiger' Williams in April 1974.
     
  5. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Bit of a misconception, re Shavers - Bugner, perhaps stemming from the Earnie Shavers KO Highlight Tape, Earnie Dropped old Joe in the first, but did not KO him, Joe was stopped in the second round due to a cut, and at the time he was actually coming back at Earnie who was not looking too comfortable...

    Joe Lost to Larry Middleton on the way up, got Floored and had his Jaw Broken, Larry was a prospect himself then, and subsequently lost a close one to quarry, Joes beating of Foster and Ellis came when these guys had seen better days, so Joes victories over "Names"should also be seen in context.
     
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  6. luke

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    Bugner vs.

    Foreman L KO 4 or he would win a UD15

    Norton L UD 15

    Young L UD 15/KO10

    Quarry L SD15 or W SD15

    Shavers (during Bugner's prime years) W KO12

    Also, how about Bugner vs. Golota? boring fight with a KO winner
     
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  7. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Foreman - An intriguing one. Foreman's the one top fighter that I'd give Bugner a chance of upsetting.

    Norton - Styles maketh the fight. Just as Foreman would destroy Norton any day of the week,Joe has far less chance of scoring an upset against Ken. Norton by clear decision.

    Young - Jimmy's speed would be the deciding factor. Young on points. Dreary fight to watch.

    Quarry - Bugner COULD win this one. Depends on whether he fights at his best. If so,Joe takes decision. Otherwise Quarry on points.

    Shavers - Joe takes close decision.
     
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  9. ronnyrains

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    Jimmy Quarry told me when they were in London, Jerry handled Bugner with insulting ease, "Joe Bugner never got off the ropes!" He had problems with they real elite aggressive fighter's. Quarry would beat Bugner, easier than you could say, BODELL, MIDDLETON, LYLE OR SHAVERS!
     
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  10. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree 100%. Quarry would have handled Bugner with ease.
     
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  11. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Bugner's win over the 5 inches shorter, Brian London was in London's last fight. Doubt if Big Joe's safety first style would have been enough to worry Quarry. In Jerry's 2 appearances in the UK, he beat Middleton and destroyed Bodell, both of whom had beaten Bugner. Quarry usually took care of big lumps, at his best, without much trouble.
     
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  12. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I'll be as succinct as possible here...all the names listed would have beaten Bugner.
     
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  13. GoldenHulk

    GoldenHulk Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree to that as well. He's not going to peck and poke his way against any of the guys mentioned on this list.
     
  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    His safety first style would have possibly got him through a few rounds against foreman. But see foreman eventually catching him about the fifth. Quarry and young out point him. He d be be doing well against Norton until mid rounds until he's dropped, then he goes in safety mode and loses the decision.
     
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  15. choklab

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    It would all depend on Joe Bugner.

    Joe had all the talent in the world. If he wanted to win, really win, you can make a strong case in each of these fights. He was potentially that good. At least as good as any non champion of that era. Ali, for one, really rated Bugner.

    So Joe could have been as good as he wanted to be, but too often if the money was what he wanted, and he was satisfied with the purse, his attitude would be "we are both getting paid enough" and not actually care if he lost. He would just want to be unscathed enough to go out for a meal and enjoy his money after the fight. The higher the steaks the less interested he was. Boxing was only a job to Joe. That was his mind set.

    Other fights he really showed burning ambition to take him into the next fight on a higher stage. On those nights he really showed who he was really. but he never would bring any of that into a truly big fight.