Joe Calzaghe answered FOUR questions tonight

you are trying to portray the uncertain variable as the truth, and trying to push away criticism of a belief you have(calzaghe being bad) as something which can never ever be proved wrong!which of course it can be proved wrong, just like if you believed the sun orbited the earth; a belief i think you will agree which was proved wrong! or am i wrong there as well? can this belief not be proved wrong??

beliefs, and opinions, can be wrong!not the 'i think...' part, but the actual belief and opinion!
understand??

 

ok..

would you put calzaghes win over jones on a parr with the likes of marciano/louis,ali/holmes etc

that type of victory and why?

 

Marciano v. Louis--no. Louis, while quite past it, was not completely shot yet.

Ali v. Holmes--yes. It was this type of win. Beating a fighter greater than yourself, who was at the end of the line.

I will say that unlike Jones/Calzaghe, I can actually see Holmes beating Ali prime for prime. He would be the underdog for certain, but he for one has a realistic chance at an upset.

 

prime for prime is subjective intangible nonsense and ultimately gets you nowhere....

i dont disagree jones is past his best,but so is JC maybe not as far gone but he is.

i love the fact that the 2 years age difference is used to calzaghes detrement when determining the merits of either fighter..

the very fact that joe has aged better,is clearly more durable and still at the top of his game while aged 37 and past his best tells me he is simply the better athlete/fighter on that fact alone,i mean what is prime 2 years here 4 there etc its pathetic, fact is this fight should have happened years ago but it didnt,it happened now and to suggest that at any point other than now it would have been a jones whitewash is a copout,the fight proved that wouldnt be the case at all,both are old,both are declining and both deserve respect for the fight.....

the better man won on the day.

so i disagree,it isnt on a parr with those fights at all,it wasnt the young buck taking on the old master,it is a fight that should have happened before now but it happened and jones lost.

im out for now,but look forward to bumping into ya again axe my man,seeyuz.

 

He reminds me of Comical Ali...

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Take care SOCRates. :good

 

Thats a serious Ownage right there.

 

:rofl :rofl

 

"If Roy was in his prime..blah, blah, blah"... :rofl atsch

 

The underlined...is why I treat posters like you with no respect. You just don't know boxing. You never saw Ali in his prime live or on film. What you said about Louis is utter garbage. I know for a fact you never saw film of a prime Louis fighting lol.

 

We knew this before. But he does have a little more power than most people, including myself, thought. He did stun Jones a few times, opened up a huge cut on Jones with a straight left, and Jones is a guy we have rarely - if ever - seen cut. Tarver is a big puncher, Johnson, not a noted puncher, but a guy with great physical strength capable of delivering a big punch.

Chin's are over-rated in general these days. You here 'so and so has a granite chin etc'. Listen, guys who deserve that tag are guys like Oliver McCall and Wayne McCullough. Joe has a very good chin though. Roy caught him with a forearm, and he was up quickly and not visibly hurt. Salem with a left hook off a head, but again Joe was up quickly and attacking. It's worth noting that a headbutt and follow up shot lead to a guy like Ricardo Torres being put to sleep on the ropes, whereas Joe was up inside about 4. Mitchell fight he was up and stopped him next round, though I haven't actually seen that fight for a while. The Hopkins fight is the only fight that I believe he's been actually stunned. But he got up. It's not fair to say it was a 'light shot'. It was a hard counter, but it wasn't so much the power. It was the accuracy and surprise and speed of it that stunned go and caught him unawares.

Of course it was the biggest cash fight. Because Roy Jones Jr, despite being faded, well in a way, he's like a brand name. People think of him when they think of boxing, he's an ATG fighter, a legend around the globe, and to have him on your record is, and to fight him, is a huge bonus and provides a huge cash reward.

Was it the lowest risk? Yes, in terms of matching it with the cash made off of it. But was it the lowest risk fight he could taken period? Not counting the money side of things? I'm not so sure. I mean Jones, even a faded version, is still a very good fighter. His speed and reflexes are still there, though evidently faded. His footwork and handspeed is still there, though again evidently faded. His punch resistance may have decreased, but Calzaghe doesn't have the power, and didn't knock him out or down so it is irrelevant. His power is still there, the only thing that isn't/wasn't was the confidence. But he'd got back to winning ways, he'd won 3 in a row, he'd rebuilt himself and was looking for a challenge. He took it, and got humilated. But don't let that fool you into thinking this fight was a one-sided beating from the beginning. A lot of people picked Jones. And now they say he is shot? When they picked him to win?

Shot is a strong word. People say Kostya Tszyu was shot in the Hatton fight. People say Mormeck was shot in the Haye fight? See a trend? People trying to descredit the wins of British fighters. Anyway, a shot fighter doesn't win 3 on the bounce, and establish himself in the light-heavyweight division. A shot fighter would be somebody like Antwun Echols, who's losing on a consistent basis, or DeMarcus Corley, who has lost his last 4 to pretty average competition at times. Jones still had a winning mentality, he still had skills and physical attributes, but because they were sublime during his prime years, he appears shot. He's faded, very faded. But not 'shot'.

 

quote=Carmelo Modica1) You are stating the obvious. Calzaghe was never known for being a hard puncher. He has a 70% KO average so he does have some power, but he's no Kelly Pavlik.

The underlined is kind of "too queasy" for me to read. I see your point, but don't give PAv anything over Cal. He does nothing better than Cal lol...


2) By your rationale, Muhammad Ali doesn't have an iron chin either, seeing that he was floored by Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper. Calzaghe was floored 4 times, Ali was floored 6 times. They both had iron chins, because they always got up fast. Jones floored Calzaghe with an illegal arm shot, BHop cought him off-balance. **** happens, but the chin is iron.

Good thought. They say in a fight that all you do have to do is get up before 10. Heck, I know a bunch of fighters past and present with iron chins who AREN'T great. Good thought!


3) Everyone knows Calzaghe only wanted this last fight for the money. He said it after he beat Kessler. Thank you again for stating the obvious.

lol, EXACTLY!


4) Roy is not in his prime. We can argue how past-it he is but the fact is Roy did win his last 3 fights before Calzaghe. If he were as shot as you say he is, he would not have done so well in those fights.

Roy was just about shot. He had enough to beat chubby tito and guys with less experience, but dealing with the very best, since the Ruiz fight, he has gone down hill ever since. I was Roy's biggest fan in his prime. I was also a fan of Cal and said he would get respect one day. If this sounds offensive so be it. Joe Calzaghe is the best Caucasian fighter I ever saw fight live or film (would've loved to see Greb fight and Pep could truly fight also)in my life along with one of the very best FIGHTERS I ever saw fight.

 

Yes, Ali was criticized. Just as Cal is being criticized, it will pass lol. Good post. The "old lady" quip...funny lol.

 

A very good post.:good :bbbRoy was just about shot, and Cal showed us Roy "is" shot.

 

Another absolutely absurd post from the number one Calzaghe obsessor on the forum.

I can't be bothered to argue all these points as I've not slept since coming back from NY but I want to address the chin issue.

They don't get much better than Joe Calzaghe's. Yes he's been knocked down 4 times in his career but he was up and fighting back all 4 times and most or all of them have been balance issues.
Did you fail to see the monster uppercut that Jones landed in round 6? Anyone with less than a world class chin goes down from that shot no doubt. He was hit with 2 massive uppercuts against Kessler and stayed upright, as well as many other fights I could mention where he's taken many uneccessary shots.

I don't know what you expect an Iron chin to be classed as to be honest.

And like TFFP said, combined with his insane ability to recover instantly from being hurt he is never getting KO'd.