I think he has. I don't see many that do what he does on the occasions he may be hurt. For that he is great in this area for me. So his chin is just "good" is it? You need to get over yourself with Calzaghe. The guy has never been close to being stopped, faced a lot of good punchers and gets hit. It is a great chin, a good one would have been exposed given the shots he's taken. If his chin is only good his recovery powers have got to be something amazing. You really need to concede the point on one of these.
Has Joe Calzaghe proven to have some of the greatest powers of recovery ever seen in a boxing ring? It's a yes or no question.
I think I said I believe so in my first paragraph. I've given a few reasons but I think we are pretty far apart on that one so I didn't feel the need to expand. For me Joe is a lower end great now, so for him to be comparable to anybody in one particular area is not far fetched to me. I think his recovery is better than his chin, combined they make him very very difficult to KO. I don't think a prime Jones even manages it, never have. I think we would have to look at a great LHW puncher, a Moore, a Foster.
Roy weighed 199 unofficially for his fight with Ruiz , 199 - 175 = ? you do the math even if he weighed 193 thats still 18 pounds .. Thats still too much of a weight drop at his age.
We are on separate sides of the Calzaghe divide but usually although I disagree I believe your opinion is valid, it is just different from my own - but this time I'm sorry but I think you are being ridiculous. To say that a man has some of THE GREATEST powers of recovery ever seen in a boxing ring because he bounced back to beat Kabary Salem and Byron Mitchell, and avoid being stopped by Hopkins and Jones when they didn't even apply any pressure afterwards and neither haven't stopped anyone in a few years, and considering the standard of opposition Joe has fought throughout his career - I just think that is an obscene statement. It is blasphemous IMO, when you consider some of the granite chins and iron resolves some men have shown in absolutely dire circumstances, when facing ruthless finishers and standing up to awesome punishment. I'm off for the night, see you on another thread where hopefully we will have a little more common ground.
Pacquiao took on a paperchamp and was heavy heavy favourite to win with the bookies. Much more so than Calzaghe was with Jones. Pacquiao was around 1/9 to win calzaghe 4/9. If Pacquiao jumped up in weight and fought a dangerous fighter then I can see your point. The majority of sports writers and boxers had it for Pacquiao and it was around a 50/50 split for Calzaghe Jones (Calzaghe slightly favoured). This was posted a couple of days ago and the thread showed still be here a few pages down. That was not a great roy jones in there but taking into account their levels it was still a tougher fight than Diaz a guy who is B grade at best.
he was 185+ on fight night at Light Heavyweight so no he was not losing 20 plus pounds as originally stated. It was about a 10 pound weight loss not 20 like originally posted.
Calzaghe fans are the worst.....the most limited fans here.. that is when you can get through the superficiality of their posts...because from the surface you really think they know what the **** they talk about. its one thing to give creedence to Joe as a great fighter which he is!..its another thing to either ignore either by convenience or lack of knowledge the other factors such as RJJ is ****in SHOT! a cadaver in that ring. Im sorry if you only started watching Jones 2 years ago but he used to be real good. And the nerve to bring up the Tito fight as proof he aint shot..hahaha I aint going there. But they have done this before, they have propped up Kessler as some kind of great fighter after Joe...sure Americans hyped Lacy b4 his fight with Joe but Joes fans are still hyping him as great..lol...they have stated that BHOp is prime when Joe squeaked by...now they have started playing the Joe is shot card in order to buffer all the calls of who wins prime for prime. Ill tell you and almost guarantee that Oscar will get lambasted even by his fans after dismantling PAC in December...And PAC to me is more legit a challenge to Hoya than RJJ was to Joe. And they call PAC/DLH a circus money making scheme...What the **** was last night? And as for PAC, he was killed in these same forums for Koing a game yet limited Diaz...I would dare say that Diaz was more of a challenge for Pac than Roy was for Joe at this point... Youd be hard pressed to find more than 5 Pachuggers who gave him credit for this win. Bottom line, should he get credit for this win? Yes. Does the win prove something? NO!
Fans love talking boxing, but they don't like speaking to liars and haters. Jones had to lose 24 lbs, and then rehydrate his body to fight Tarver. If you are saying that Roy weighing 185 only makes it a 10 lb weight loss for Jones, then you are something far worse than a measly coward, you are a liar lol. It's ok to hate on Jones, just don't lie about Jones to us. His career has been in front of all of us so stop lying ok?
quote=PACFAN84- Does Calzaghe have good punching power? NO. Jones was sparked by Tarver and Johnson, and Calzaghe couldn't even floor or seriously wobble an even older version, despite landing hundreds of punches. Nobody has been able to walk through Calzaghe. Nobody. Sweetpea didn't have good punching power, and nobody...not even Chavez could walk through him. - Does Calzaghe really have an "iron" chin? NO. His chin was never iron, this is a myth. Guys with iron chins don't get dropped by Salem and Mitchell, or by a relatively light punch from Hopkins. Roy Jones Jr hasn't stopped anyone in over FIVE YEARS, and last time out he couldn't stop a blown-up welterweight who was rustier than the Titanic. Again, a single shot sent Joe down on his arse. His chin is good, but it simply cannot be said to be "iron". In boxing, you only need to get up before 10. It doesn't get any simpler than that. - Did Joe's biggest-cash-for-lowest-risk-possible plan work? YES. He chose wisely to fool naive fans into believing this was a serious contest, and got a sack of money for beating up a shot fighter - a fighter he said was shot as far back as 4 years ago. Well done. Your hero Pac is doing the same damn thing. If he isn't, than how come he isn't fighting Antonio Margarito at 147? Because he can make a boat load of money fighting 35 year old Dlh coming down in weight. - Is Roy Jones shot? YES. Surely even to the last remaining doubters tonight proved it. Jones has been shot since he burned off 20+lbs of muscle in 03-04 to come back to lhw from hw, he has never been the same fighter since. :good We finally agree. I hope Joe gives Hopkins a rematch or fights Dawson next, a real fight. Despite his dire lack of power, he is clearly nowhere near shot himself. Congratulations Roy, you have been the greatest fighter of your generation, it's time to retire, you are a legend.:bbb Cal might have a fight left in him. He took the Jones fight as a money fight. I rooted for Jones in hoping for a miracle, and I don't give Cal credit for this fight. It was a money fight. Same as Pac Dlh...a money fight.
Pac is pfp the best in Dlh's Ring mag, and a fraud pfp best. When he fights a prime fighter who is capable of beating him, then we'll rank Pac. He is a default pfp best pick, and it's only because he beat big name past it fighters, and also because Dlh owns the magazine. This might read childish, but it's the plain truth.
Put it this way, I've seen less deadly forearms to the head in the UFC The shot he took that put Calzaghe down was pretty damn rough, no one should be judged by that.l