Joe Calzaghe answered FOUR questions tonight

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You feel that this fight proves these points? What I'm saying is people pretty much already knew about both of these issues prior to last nights fight and nothing new was learned! They just don't word it the same way as you do.

Prior to last nights fight did people often assert that Calzaghe at this time has very limited punch power? Yes. I think that point has been proven a fair few times in the past few years. Many fighters have attested to it in the aftermath of the fights (Lacy, Hopkins and Manfredo all asserted that he was a slapper with extremely limited power). Did the RJJ bout serve as ADDITIONAL evidence of this? Perhaps. But there was never really a question on it to answer in the first place.

Now to questioning Calzaghes chin. We already knew he was suceptible to being caught by punches particularly early on in a fight, as shown by the Mitchell and Hopkins KDs. Rocky Marciano was also. Tito Trinidad another. Does this mean that any of these guys have bad chins? Nah. All of these guys have taken far bigger punches as fights have progressed proving the strength of their chins. Many were predicting Jones to score the kind of KD he did and for Joe to still win the fight convincingly...

Now as I acknowledged, with the chin issue you might have a talking point there, maybe. Do I think its a major question mark in the context of last nights events? Nope. He was caught by other clean shots as the fight wore on and took them well as he has done on the other occasions in which he went down. I've seen him hit with huge punches against the likes of Kessler and not looked phased. And given how he reacted to the KD, I really don't think there is a question mark attached to his chin.

Thats my opinion, and most likely the opinion of the majority.

 

Well, perhaps people differ in how they term these things then. For me, cast iron means the true elite in terms of chins: Oliver McCall, Lamotta, Chuvalo etc etc. I'm sure Woodhall and almost all true boxing fans would have to agree that Calzaghe is not on that level jaw wise, before and after last night. He has a very good chin, capable of taking very good punches from very good punchers.

 

Calzaghe is no one punch knock out merchant but he does have decent power when he decides to sit down on his puunches and not just throw half hearted pitter-patter punches. Were as Joe may not spark out his opponents they do seem to respect his power as they are reluctant to just walk through his punches. Is he a hard puncher? Probably not. But does he have decent enough power to gain the respect of his opponents? Yes.

The Tarver/Johnson examples are not valid in my opinion. It is obvious Jones rapid weight loss of muscle had more to do with those KO's than anything else. Jones body is more settled now and i believe if he got hit today by those punches that KO'ed him then he would be able to take them.

Calzaghe does have a very good chin. The Salem and especially Hopkins KD were more to do with timing than power. A well timed shot at an exposed chin, even by a relatively light pncher can still flaw a solid chinned man. Joe took harder shots of Jones than the KD punch (the upper cut in round 5/6 is a good example) and stayed on his feet and came back fighting. He also took huge bombs of Kessler without being flawed. If you time Joe coming in then you can floor him as he is of balance. All Joe's KD's have come when he is coming forward to throw a punch and is therefore not properly balanced. I believe he has a great chin. His powers of recovery are also world class.

 

pacfan 84 you are a stupid *****.

1. joe is past his prime had jones hurt in the 7th and 8th round he was suppose to close the show but decided to humiliate jones and **** with him the whole fight.

2. you know absolutley **** about boxing.

3. you are a ****ing hater and need to get over jones losing. by trying to down play JOE.

4 shut the **** up and log the **** out.

 

And I thought you were better than a petty hater.

Look, I think we can come and go here. I think it is fair to say that Calzaghe does not have a cast iron chin ala say Oliver McCall and that his punch power is pretty much non existant these days. What I'm trying to say is that while it could be said that last nights fight was additional evidence of this, the proof already existed prior to last night and that the RJJ fight didn't bring up any new questions in regards to Calzaghe....

That is what I'm saying.

 

I think the questions had already been answered and the manner in which you raised the issues could be seen to be provocative especially given the convincing manner in which JC disposed of RJJ. The likes of you and I may well have said that it would be a JC win, but there were others out there that believed that RJJ could pull off something huge...and thus JC fans are happy with what occured last night. I know I couldn't help but have a shiver of apprehension pre-fight myself given that it was still RJJ that JC would be sharing a ring with...

I think that this is an issue that we have been over many times, particularly the power thing. Theres not a day goes past on this forum where Calzaghe is ridiculed in regards to it 'slappy Joe' and you even get the odd idiot saying that he has a glass jaw on the basis of his knockdowns. The way you presented it was as if we had indeed witnessed groundbreaking new evidence that answered perennial questions about Calzaghe....when we both know that isn't the case at all.

It was provocative, IMO and this thread has stimulated very little good debate and discussion from what I've read...mainly petty squabbles and arguments. Perhaps it is your good self that needs to review how he presents things if he does want to garner good feedback, you do seem to cop alot of flak on here, more than most. And it's not all irrational idiots that give you it either.

 

im sorry.............................puase ll i must has forgot to space my words as
it is obvious your are more
then a little slow.




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