Joe Calzaghe calling out Roy Jones multiple times in 2000 and 2001

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    I mean Calzaghe was sat on his arse.
     
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  2. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Yep so many fighters from that era were drug cheats in hindsight it was obvious Jones was on the gear.
     
  3. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Thoughts?

    Break down what he says.

    It’s some of the most cringeworthy things that I’ve ever seen.

    Literally saying things that he knew full well wasn’t possible.

    Why?

    1. To massage his ego.

    2. To have starved off any media criticism.


    This is the exact point when he lost me as a fan.

    I was a fan up until this point.

    Because after 3 of these types of interviews, me and many others realised that he wasn’t doing anything proactive to obtain the fights.

    He fought a guy like Mario Veit and then called out the P4P king. Okay.

    But then took on another low level/non world level fighter, before doing the same.

    Then it was rinse and repeat, over and over.

    Two years down the line, he was still calling for Roy, yet his circumstances hadn’t changed.

    He was still in the exact same position.


    He had no U.S. profile.

    He would not go there.

    He said that he had a fear of flying.

    He would not move up to LHW, to try and:

    1. Fight named opponents.

    2. Common opponents.

    3. To try and move himself into a mandatory position.

    And this was whilst he struggled like mad to make 168 pounds.


    Now look from Roy’s perspective:

    1. He’d been with HBO for 9 years, and he’d just recently signed a new contract.

    2. Joe was relatively unknown outside of Europe.

    3. He held a minor title which had no respect.


    So: The P4P King was going to travel to a different continent, and move divisions, in order to contest a lightly regarded title, against a guy who was relatively unknown, and who’d been fighting mostly non world level opponents??

    Embarrassing.


    Both Joe and Frank Warren knew damn well that that fight could not be obtained, unless Joe had changed his circumstances, and moved up a weight and gone to the U.S.

    I can literally remember at the time, cringing, after he’d said that Roy was running and hand picking fighters.

    This coming from a guy who’d fought: Sheika, Veit and McEntyre etc.


    If Joe had been serious about wanting to fight Roy, he’d have made concessions and gone all out to pursue it.

    The fact that he didn’t do that, speaks volumes.
     
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  4. Loudon

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    He was about to turn 40.

    What difference does it make if he fought on?

    He fought until he was 54.

    How is that relevant though?
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn’t a one sided schooling.

    It was a guy throwing lots of pitty pat shots against a shot guy with a high guard.

    There was no skill involved.

    We’re not talking about Pea or Nunn, having executed great skills.

    It was just a barrage of shots against a guy who was immobile.

    And this was literally after he’d said that a fight would be pointless, as Roy was shot, and had been for years.

    What credit does he deserve?

    He wouldn’t go near him when he was prime.

    He admits in the video that he wouldn’t have been confident.

    And he fought him when he was shot, after literally saying that he was shot, when a Kelly Pavlik fight was there to be made instead.

    He doesn’t deserve any credit.

    He had a 15 year career, and spent 75% of it fighting non world level fighters.
     
  6. Loudon

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    BS.

    He didn’t have the confidence or the defence needed to have beaten Roy at his best.

    There’s a reason these BS videos exist, and why he didn’t actively pursue it.

    Go and look at his comments and actions from throughout the years.

    You couldn’t just outwork a prime Roy Jones.

    A prime Roy wouldn’t have been static with a high guard, just taking the punches like he did in 2008.

    He’d have returned fire. And he was even faster than Joe, with more power and much better timing and accuracy. He was also much more elusive and harder to hit.
     
  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe was put down by an unknown Egyptian, and could barely beat Robin Reid, either side of his losses to Branco and Malinga.
     
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  8. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It was a forearm because he missed with the uppercut.

    His timing was out.

    He was no longer a world level fighter at that point.
     
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  9. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    Beautifully put. The idea that Jones was avoiding Joe is revisionist nonsense. It was only really after the Lacy fight that Joe's star rose - by which point Jones had already been KOd by Tarver and Johnson. I don't think it's a coincidence that the fight only happened once it was clear that Jones was done as a dominant force.
     
  10. Loudon

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    That fight could have been a reality, had Joe have raised his profile in America and made waves at LHW.
     
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  11. Serge

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    The most egregious and despicable thing about Roy jacking himself full of roids, and make no mistake about it whatsoever, like Holyfield and Mosley, he wasn't just a PED cheat he was clearly a walking pharmacy and super enhanced, and his own delusional obsessed cultists will tell you this themselves from their own Roy jizz covered lips, is that Roy is ''the most naturally gifted fighter of all time.'' But he still felt the need to cheat and joust roids in his ass to give himself even more advantages than the boxing gods had already bestowed him with which, as said, is rather despicable.


    And like I said, you will literally never hear a goddamn iota of criticism from the Roy jizz covered lips of his cultists re. him being a PED cheat or not even a token ''but to be fair to whichever clean fighter he's being compared to or who is being pitted against him in a hypothetical match up against Roy is a proven PED cheat.'' I've literally never seen it happen once in all my years posting on message boards and, again, you have to ask yourself why that is?



    Carl Froch

    'Froch was left shattered when Jones career ended in shame as a drugs cheat. The Brit said: I was very, very annoyed. I put him on a pedestal. Unbeaten, a super-middleweight moving up to heavyweight and winning world titles.

    Pound of pound the best at the time, no one could hit him, he could punch, he could box, he could do everything and usually did in the ring.

    He hardly ever lost a round and then to find out he was cheating on drugs was quite devastating because I was a massive fan.

    You look back and you think was he that good or was he given an extra boost by something else?

    Were drugs giving him thee edge on his way to the top? Was it giving him the edge in hand speed, was it meaning he could go 12 rounds easy?

    Some of his fights were close late on. The guys he was fighting were looking tired and he was still looking sharp was that down to drugs?

    If he was still sharp because he was cheating, then that is unfair because you never know he might have come unstuck in those final two or three rounds.'

    Clinton Woods

    'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says he’s not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. “I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke,” Woods told the Sheffield Star. “In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. It’s always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money.”

    ''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight''

    "When it comes to taking drugs there is no excuse, none whatsoever"

    Woods continued with "I remember when I was boxing if I had a cold I used to go to the doctors and see if there was something that I could take because I knew that there were things I couldnt take; boxers know"

    Joe Calzaghe

    "I would hate to fight a cheat and I don't believe in cheating in any sport. I'm not calling him a cheat and I don't know what was taken or what happened," Calzaghe told The People. "I have to remember to take my vitamin C every morning and I believe in a fair fight."

    He says that even if his opponent, Jones or otherwise, took an illegal steroid, he would still beat them.

    "In athletics, a cheat gets disqualified, but in boxing if you get your ass kicked and then he's found to be a cheat, it doesn't matter because you can't reverse the decision and you've still had your ass kicked.

    ''In athletics drug cheats get banned automatically for two years, and if steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit for longer and this will enable them to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive. During our pre-fight medicals we get tested for drugs and it's never crossed my mind to take anything performance-enhancing. I don't have a big pot of pills that I dip into all hours of the day. In fact, I have a job just to remind myself to take vitamins.

    ''I would be angry if someone I fought took something that gave him an unfair advantage because this is a dangerous sport, it's not like running. In athletics it now seems almost part of the culture, just like cycling, and the who idea is to stay one step ahead of testing. I sat alongside Justin Gatlin, at the time the reigning Olympic 100m champion, on the BBC's Question of Sport about a year ago and spoke to him afterwards. We talked about the Jeff Lacy fight because he's from Florida as well and he seemed like a really nice guy and I was genuinely shocked and disappointed when he failed a drugs test last summer. Whenever I watch athletics or cycling now I have my suspicions. Some get caught and some don't but I like to think that fighters are clean. Boxing's a warrior sport and, to me, there have always been values that go along with that.

    ''It's cheating there's no other word for it.''

    Montell Griffin

    ''Roy is not close to being the hardest puncher to ever hit me. But he was so fast that his speed was power. And you know, it's out there now, so it ain't no big secret, but he tested positive for steroids. People always questioned it, but then he tested positive and failed a test and it made me think he was on steroids for all of those fights''

    ''Roy Jones is a great fighter—one of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so that’s the only way I can look at it.”

    So when I took the knee, I pulled back, went down on my knee, and looked at up at the referee to start his count. By the time I looked up, the man hit me. He hit me the first time and it caught me off guard and then he loaded up and hit me the second time and at that point I could hear everything that was going on but it was like my body was paralyzed. I couldn’t move, I couldn’t do anything, I was trying to get up but I couldn’t move and I heard the referee counting and I was like, ‘Man, I can’t believe this! They’re going to count me out on this dirty punch.’ When I got up, came to, and got my faculties together I heard my brother say to Larry to disqualify Roy. Roy came over and apologized to me on like three occasions, said he was sorry. As we found out later on in his career that he failed steroid tests so I just feel that he was having roid rage. He was frustrated from what I was doing to him, he caught roid rage, he was frustrated so he hit me.''

    ''Like I said, when he failed the steroid test it kind of hurt me because of course me feeling like I was cheated, and because I looked up to this guy. Knowing that he cheated, it kind of took a little away from him.''

    Frank Warren

    ''I knew Jones was messing around with steroids. "It all came out into the public and since he's stopped using he's not looked the same fighter. ''

    Roid Jones

    Former four division champion Roy Jones Jr. is wondering whether or not Antonio Tarver was on steroids in their 2004 rematch - where Tarver, on a single punch, stopped Jones in the second round and Roy was never the same boxer after that contest. On June 22, ***** broke the news that Tarver tested positive for drostanolone, an anabolic steroid. The failed test took place prior to Tarver's twelve round draw against Lateef Kayode on June 2 in California. Jones says it is "very possible" that Tarver was using steroids for their fight.

    Since the positive test result, several of Tarver's past opponents like Danny Green and Clinton Woods have been come in the press with similar questions.

    "You can call it a lucky punch but he did have to throw it. You can call it lucky or unlucky. The only problem I got is now that he's tested positive for steroids, it's very possible that he was on steroids when it happened. Other than that, it was a good punch, a clean punch - so I just can't go off that it was a lucky punch. But if he was on steroids, then it makes me understand on how he was able to stand there and why he was so confident to throw it, because he knows he's on steroids.''
     
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  12. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing aficionado Full Member

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    Why do you hate Joe Calzaghe? Did he beat your favourite fighter?
     
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  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hate is a strong word.

    I don’t hate him.

    But you tell me why he deserves credit for beating Roy.

    Why does he get a pass from you and most others.

    You cannot fight a guy, after you’ve already said that a fight would be pointless, as they’re a shot fighter and have been for years.

    Surely you can understand that?

    The guy spent most of his career hid under the radar fighting non world level fighters.

    He was asked to go to America earlier in his career.

    He then declined, saying that he feared flying.

    Yet in his 15th and final year as a pro, he was on that plane.

    He was on that plane to fight a 43 year old, before then fighting an almost 40 year old, who’d he’d rubbished.

    Guess what?

    If he deserves credit for going to America and moving up to LHW in 2008, then he also deserves criticism for not having gone there sooner.

    It amazes me how overrated he’s become.

    He spent around 75% of his career fighting low level guys.
     
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  14. Badbot

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    It was probably the same as when Erislandy Lara was calling out Golovkin some years back. Oh no, you made a public statement... surely now Golovkin has to be the one to initiate the negotiations with a man who isn´t even in his division.
    Public call outs as such are completely meaningless. If you call someone out, you better have your team get in touch with them too.
     
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  15. CooperKupp

    CooperKupp Refs Need To STOP Helping The Chiefs Full Member

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    Didn’t bother reading Bud lol :D

    But bottom line is your hero roy wasn’t THAT far out of his prime when Super Joe embarrassed him. So don’t even try and push that narrative. Fact is… roy had a weak chin. Many of you won’t admit this but that’s the main reason he didn’t fight ‘The Tiger’ over there across the pond ;)

    Also something that types like you don’t wanna admit is Joe was a VERY underrated puncher before the hand troubles started. Wasn’t GGG or Kovalev in that category but had enough pop to shut roy’s little brain off :lol::lol::lol: And Joe could take a shot AND get up with the best of them in that weight class.

    Another thing is roy was a classic bully type that operated his best while being completely in control. When guys started to press him back and weren’t frozen like many of the tomato cans he feasted on… roy wasn’t this “Superman” many of his fans try to make him out to be. And Joe definitely would’ve pressed roy back. He would’ve settled into the fight, got his rhythm down, and started hitting jones with flurries left and right. And roy would’ve resorted to shelling up after getting cracked good a few times by prime Joe.

    “ohhh B.. BUT ROY WADNT PRIME DOE WHEN HE LOST TO JOE!!”

    Neither was Joe ;) Remember that. And roy had been looking pretty damn sharp in the previous fights before that one.
     
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