Joe Calzaghe could of defeated any fighter in history in his prime! at super middle!

Hopkins schools Calzaghe, but it might be a split decision?. Not sure what "schooled" is under your criteria, but its another definition for being dominated in mines. Make your mind up, does Hopkins school him or sneak out a SD, thus a very compeitive fight?.

You then went onto say "Calzaghe can win that fight prime for prime". Hold on a minute, the question of the thread is about Calzaghe and other greats at super-middleweight. Hopkins was without question in his prime at middleweight. So how can Calzaghe beat a prime Hopkins when he's never been a middleweight himself?.

 

That's what I meant, and I feel McClellan is certainly not a good boxer, just a puncher who suffered a tragic injury.

 

So his Benn/Calzaghe 50/50 if you write off McClellan because he was just a puncher? McClellan was a better boxer and a better puncher than Benn, with a better chin, so why does Benn have a better chance against Joe C than G-Man?

 

The only person I would pick over Calzaghe from 160-168? Roy Jones Jr

 

How do you see him dealing with these opponents:

Hagler

Monzon

Hopkins

Nunn

I could see him losing to all.

 

lmao can't wait till calzaghe gets exposed.

 

JOE CALZAGHE vs MARVIN HAGLER

I believe Hagler would lost a lot of his effectiveness if he moved up to super middleweight. He was never a one punch knockout artist, but did wear down guys with a steady, brutal accumulation of punishment. So he didn't have that one punch to stop Calzaghe (nobody at 168 does) and it would take a long accumulative job to win by KO or TKO. Calzaghe's defense and ring generalship is too good for that to happen. He didn't stop Duran or Leonard, so I don't see him stopping Joe, who has a great chin.

Calzaghe is a great fighter too. Sure he hasn't accomplished as much as Marvin, but it is very evident to me that he is every bit as versatile and every bit as complete. He lacks the power or the jab of Marvin, but makes up for it with better speed and defense. If they fought on the inside, Hagler would not pulverize him. Calzaghe is a tough customer in close and very crafty and slick. I see his faster hands getting the better of inside exchanges, but Marvin would be ultra-competitive and could stun/hurt Calzaghe.

On the outside, a prime Hagler had a piston-like jab, but against Calzaghe, I don't see him establishing it.

I think the hand speed, foot speed, in and out movement, workrate, and ring generalship would give Calzaghe a unanimous decision victory (around 116-112).

 

Sure has a good track record against natural MW's or higher that were quick eh?

 

Before you start on another post, I will say you can wait for tomorrow, because we have enough to debate with this one.

 

Alright

 

Fair enough, I agree here, except for the bit about him not being as effective at MW. This bout could very well take place at both weights, being as you specified noone at 160 could beat Calzaghe.

I am perhaps not as sold on Joe's defense as you and Amsterdam, as he seems to get hit a whole hell of a lot for a guy with great defense. Hagler in his prime had just as good a defense. On the inside Hagler places his punches better for the most part, though Calzaghe is very quick and crafty as you say, I will agree with that. The outside is where Hagler's advantage comes into play.

Why not? Again, I don't believe Joe to be someone with as great a defense as you guys claim. Joe is someone who is very quick of hand and foot, very quick in and out movement, but for the time he's in, very susceptible to being hit, but has a pretty decent way of reducing the damage of the hits he takes. However, Hagler is much more accurate with his punches and has a much wider punch variety than anyone Joe has ever faced, and as said by you, Hagler's jab is a key, as his reach was very good for his size, and a piston jab like that could be a very a good weapon to use on an opponent who makes his mark popping in and out.

I'd give the bout to Jones for many of the same reasons. Jones would pot-shot Hagler and fight a smart fight. Calzaghe will pop in and out, but stay in range much longer than Jones would(which is also why I give Toney a much better chance against Calzaghe than Jones, even though I'd probably favor Calzaghe), even resorting to brawling at times, enabling him to be hit a lot more, especially with someone as accurate and skilled at counter-punching as Hagler.

Again for me, it comes down to Calzaghe's forward style against Hagler's piston jab and sharp punching. I feel Hagler will land the cleaner, more effective shots from the outside, but that Joe could do some decent work on the inside. I don't believe anyone bullies and infights Hagler to a decision though, which in my opinion is Joe's best area in this fight.

 

I meant you can wait for tomorrow to post your thoughts on one of the other matchups, not get offline all together and leave this debate.

 

How about Mike McCallum

considering he beat 3 of Calzaghes peers in a row
Herol Graham
Steve Collins
Michael Watson

 

I would give him a chance with any fighter at super middleweight. Whether he would beat them all is another matter. The only fighter I would perhaps see beating him would be Jones. There may be others but like I say, Calzaghe holds his own with all of them.