joe calzaghe: I would have beaten ward

Fine. Lets talk boxing, then.

Can you clearify this question? First of all I suppose you mean in "their" prime? And obviously every mandatory he faced was a top five guy. It is not like you end up with a number one ranking without beating the competition.

Obviously Frochs resume is above Sheikas. I just dont think he is better h2h. This is based on watching his performences. Of course people sometimes spin things around, but I think the comparasion with Johnson is fully valid. Sheika MD young Johnson. Froch MD old Johnson. This suggests Sheika is on Frochs level, or at least was at that point.

Fine. But Calzaghe would have defeated those guys in any case.

I know about Taylor and that tune up fight where the opponent hurt his hand. My point was that every time AA steppes up against a top SMW he gets whipped. Taylor was still a big name at the time, but I think most fans agree he was past his best.

Yes, later in his career he went downhill. But I am looking at him at the time when he fought JC. In comparasion with AA a prime Lacy is bigger, stronger, hits harder and has more heart then AA who tends to go into his shell when met with resistence.

First, let me point out two things. One: Ward might well be on his way to eclipse JC in terms om resume. He sure has made a hell of a start. Two: at this point there is still nothing on it that is better compared to what JC have already achieved.

I dont rate JC's win over RJ at all. The Hopkins win is relevant, but not defining since it was too close. Lacy was an undefeated champ with title defences under his belt before he faced JC. It would be kind of weird not to rate it.

I think what defines JC's legacy is the victories over Eubank and Kessler, and the fact that reigned for such a long time.

 

Well, Ward beat Kessler easier than Calzaghe did. And before you bring up the clash of heads, it was easier even before the cut that eventually stopped the fight.

Listen, I know Ward has a ways to go, but unfortunately, Joe puts his own record under scrutiny when he injects himself into the conversation. He should just fall back, or get back in the gym and prove it.

Edited: for dumb mistake.

 

Are you sure about that one? :think

 

Lets not be petty, now :nono It is almost Christmas, remember.

 

My bad, forgot. atsch

Everything else, still stands.

 

:rofl
Wards next fight is supposedly against an even now older Hopkins
So what will US fans think of that match up atsch
By the way Calzaghe was hardly in his prime himself against Hopkins and was not a young man like ward will be when he faces Bhop

 

Where did you hear that ? Because from what I read from Hopkins he said he'd never fight Ward and Ward said the same thing so again where are you getting that info from?

 

.......IF .....it happens......that blows.

Got a source?

 

Someone give a KO real of Ward's wins................

I will wait....atschatschatschatschatsch

 

Would be a fairly short reel........... Dude has some light hands.

But, it would NOT be filled with such bogus stoppages......and so consistently.

 

I wouldnt call the bogus.
they are simply a little premature.
Result would be the same.
Had Lacy's fight been stopped earlier, he wouldnt of been ruined. Like he is now.

 

Your right I apologise, I did not hear the interview he gave after the ward fight.
It seems he is looking elsewhere and I did not realise Bhop is wards idol, the talk leading up to the fight was an encounter between the two, and with Bhop being at the fight that escalated but the interview ends it
As a man of god I suppose it makes sense Ward would not want to be accused of beating up an ancient man
Fair enough then the vid is proof enough
My bet is that Hopkins could now go the Cleverly route or maybe Bute
Bute is a fight he has less problems with IMO

 

Granted, we didn't see all 30+stoppages or whatever, but

Man, those were terrible stoppages. Some of them were downright embarrassing.

Whether the fighters were on their way to victory or not is irrelevant.

Most of those guys weren't taking any real damage. Some of those guys were in the middle of exchanges with Calzaghe when the ref jumped in and stopped it. WTF?

It's not up to the ref to pick who he thinks will win and referee accordingly. Nothing is preordained. Let thimgs play out to their natural conclusion or at least until a fighter is in danger of being seriously hurt.


PS- If you look at my post history, I'm very much in favor of stopping fights a punch too soon, rather than a punch too late. But some of those were alarming.

 

Simply homecooking and the ref waiting for an excuse to stop it, it's really that simple.

 

For ****'s sake dude, you're in every single Calzaghe thread acting like you're some kind of authority on him but it's painfully obvious to those of us who know our **** (and take my word for it I most definitely do) that you don't know half as much as you like to think do. If you did you'd already know that that video with all those ''bogus premature stoppages'' is a piece of propaganda that was created by a nasty little obsessed ****** hater to make Calzaghe look bad and poison gullible goons like you against him. All the knockdowns leading up to the stoppages have been conveniently left out. He's even left out the bit where one of the opponent's cornermen threw in the towel for ****'s sake. One or two of the stoppages were definitely premature no doubt. The Manfredo one was a joke (although it's a little known fact Calzaghe broke his wrist in that fight). But that's hardly Calzaghe's fault is it? He's not the ****ing ref. Most of those fights were totally one sided and the opponents had either taken a pounding and been dropped and hurt (numerous times for quite a few of them) or weren't offering much in the way of resistance.

What a lot of morons on here don't realize (especially you Americans) is we had a spate of very high profile ring tragedies over here around that time (two of which were broadcast on the most popular terrestrial TV channel in front of an audience of millions) and the boxing abolitionists were up in arms and calling for the sport to be outlawed and they had a lot of public sympathy what with them being so high profile. Millions of people watched Chris Eubank turn Michael Watson into a vegetable on live TV from the in 1991 and it was touch and go whether he was even going to survive for a month or so never mind make it out of his vegetative state. Then we had the Gerald MClellan tragedy in 1995, again in front of an audience of millions (and believe me Nigel Benn and Chris Eubank used to get massive viewing figures for some of those big fights). In 1994 we had a young boxer called Bradley Stone lose his life after losing to Richie Wenton. In 1998 another young British boxer called Spencer Oliver suffered a blood clot on the brain and very nearly died. Then a few years later we had another high profile ring tragedy when Paul Ingle suffered a blood clot on the brain and spent four weeks in intensive care. He, like Watson and McClellan, never made a full recovery, whereas poor Bradley Stone never even regained consciousness. This was the climate throughout that time and the British Boxing Board of Control were under immense pressure to do everything in their power to clean up their act and to ensure that no more tragedies occurred in British rings. Hence why British referees still to this day have a reputation for stopping fights too early rather than run the risk of letting them go on too late. Five high profile ring tragedies in under a decade (two of which were broadcast in front of an audience of millions. Just think about that for a second. I'm a ****ing boxing nut and watching the Gerald McClellan tragedy unfold in front of my eyes nearly put me of the sport for good, so imagine the effect it had on the casual fan and the general public.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/sports_talk/1076050.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/1077797.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sport/88184.stm

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...oxing-delivers-cruel-fate-for-Paul-Ingle.html