"Joe Calzaghe is scared of Kelly Pavlik" - Jack Loew

Their competition is nothing like similar

Eubank, Kessler and Hopkins are on a different planet to Miranda. Any one of them. Taylor didn't even beat a weight drained Hopkins at middleweight in my eyes, I couldn't see him beating the 175lb version, and Eubank and Kessler definitely beat Taylor who is seen as a fraudlent champion by many

Even then Calzaghe has a lot of B levels like Reid, Mitchell and Lacy whereas Pavlik has nothing to even compare them to, you are really scraping the barrel with the likes of Zuniga and Zertuche

 

I'm sure that when Kelly's best wins were over Zuniga and McKart Joe wanted to fight. Now that Pavlik is actually a mature fighter with experience on the world stage it's a differrent story!

 

i enjoy watching him fight too.
but i also enjoy watching people fail to back up their opinions and fall into childish labels because they don't know how to back up their point of view.

this is your last chance to actually post something productive (which doesn't include imaginary brownie points by insulting me over the net), or else i won't waste my time with you.

 

Good post. And for the most part, Kelly KO's the **** outta people, while Joe just slaps his way to victory & that crap doesn't sit well with me.

:good

 

Thats a fair point, but I do thing Joe has tried in the past to get the big fights while bein turned down. But it wasnt until he was seen as cannon fodder for Lacy that he made his name, atleast on the American side of the pond anyway. I realise Im not gonna convert you to Camp Calzaghe but I hope your reasonable enough to see my point.

 

don't pull the condescending bull**** with me chuckles.

which opinion did i put out there that i failed to "back up"?

enlighten me genius.

 

Pavlik is a "nobody," but Manfredo was a worthy opponent. Go slap yourself.

 

Screw you. McCart...never been stopped & that guy had tons of experience. Zertuche, Mexican Olympian, granite jaw, never been stopped. Miranda, skill-less, but feared for his power. Taylor, beat B Hopkins 2x & Hopkins dropped your boy.

Go watch golf.:nut

 

you were judging lacy as being heightened beyond belief. i agreed with you.

then i suggested that you need to turn that judgment onto your own boy and that's when you balked.

i'm still waiting for you to respond and i've just done the hard work for you. go.

 

indeed, calzaghe like all fighters in the spotlight has been hyped, some of it earnt through his bouts over the past three years with lacy, kessler and hopkins. some of it crazy and over the top.

he doesn't differ from any other genuinely world class fighter in this regard.

i'm realistic about joe and an awful lot of his career pre lacy. he fought some really shitty fighters and some good SMW's. he suffered from being in a division that didn't get put in the spotlight in the states and should have pushed harder for certain fights.

the lacy hype and calzaghe hype though are two completely different matters. calzaghe backed it up when it mattered, jeff didn't.

 

I know that you know boxing, and that you are capable of good analysis. You also know full well that Pavlik and Lacy have almost nothing in common.

 

I never said Manfredo was worthy quite the opposite, but he's a name in the USA because of the contender and would interest the general public. In my view he was a gateway opponant (as in getting the casual boxin fans in the USA interested in Joe)

And I dont consider Pavlik a nobody, just he aint no Roy Jones Jr, as far as public awareness is concerned. read my post, I said relatively speakin, and if you dont understand that term then I suggest you invest in a dictionary.

 

from memory i think it would have been between warren and lowe and the tv companies hbo.

without looking it up to jog my memeory i think it was kessler(palle) looking to fight calzaghe and warren not wanting kessler.

the date for a calzaghe fight was set oct 14 before they had found an opponent and they then went looking.


alan green was the prime candidate , but he had the mccary fight and american tv ruled him out.
then pavlik was talked about and offered but was declined.
i think there were other offers to other fighters as well.
finnally bika was given the date.

i doubt either calzaghe or pavlik were consulted much and would have both accepted the fight if it was made.

 

we're actually seeing eye to eye - to a point - after all that baby**** :thumbsup

but how joe does differ to legitimate world champs, which is the essence of my argument, is that he (and warren) never sought to crack the lucrative US market, and that's why he loses face big time outside of the US.

also, JC never did back it up when it mattered.
granted he beat lacy and kessler, but they were trying to work their way up and there's a good reason why jones and hopkins never fought joe.

jones called it "high risk, low reward". and he was right.

but he was low reward because he (joe) never took the relatively simple step of fighting a guy like willaim joppy on a PPV undercard in the states and building up his marketability, fanbase and interest from the networks to make a fight with jones or hopkins matter.

 

manfredo jnr was an opponent because HBO demanded that it be manfredo and not steiglitz calzaghe`s manditory who HBO flatley refused to entertain as a fight.

it was the reason calzaghe was stripped by the IBF and the reason calzaghe v manfredo happened.

manfredo was happy he received $500k.