Joe Calzaghe is the Greatest Of All Time

Xerant · Jul 15, 2009

kosaros said: ↑

With the name 'pound4pound' I thought you would have talked with a lot more sense.
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he's right... go tell Calzaghe that he would win against a prime Ali and he would prolly laugh at you................... For a while

Xerant · Jul 15, 2009

Big T said: ↑

I do agree that Joe has a good chance at kicking Ali ass....heck isnt' Ali over 60 years old now?
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hahahaha Loved that one

Xerant · Jul 15, 2009

kosaros said: ↑

Clearly not. Look at how well put together the articles is - I would very much like to see you produce an article of the same intellectual level as mine.
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Dude I totaly love Joe calzaghe to a point where I think Its sad you make fun of him.... But you can't say Calzaghe would beat Ali then put the world Intellectual attach to you

Taylex · Jul 15, 2009

Taylex said: ↑

Does he have a granite chin? Yes
Does he have the heart of a lion? Yes
Does he have power in both hands? No
Does he have lightning fast speed in both his hands and movement? No
Does he have unmatched stamina resources? Yes

Plus, added to all of these attributes, he has an padded resume of a tomato cans and unworthy opponents , ranging from bums like Ashira, Salem, Manfredo, Mkrtchyan, Pudwill, Jimenez, Mcintrye, Starie, Thronbey, Gimenez, Sobot (all WBO title defenses) to the greatest prospects like Omar Sheika. Here is a breakdown of just some of the fighters Calzaghe defeated:

Chris Eubank: Shot faded, weight drained, Punch shy after Watson disaster, sick with flu took fight on 2 weeks notice whilst preparing for a fight at LHW.

Robin Reid: Decent win but not spectacular.

Mario Veit: "This unbeaten German tank" :rofl Glass jawed robot German hype job.

Byron Mitchell: Premature stoppage Byron was OK and would have KTFO later on.

Jeff Lacy: Overrated power and limited Boxing ability. Prime Reid would have beat him and the guy struggled with Sheika.

Mikkel Kessler: Good fighter but has not beaten any great fighters only decent contenders and weak paper champions.

Bernard Hopkins: Old and yet most people thought he won the fight.

Roy Jones Junior: The definition of shot to bits! Prime RJJ would have beaten Calzaghe with ease.

So there you have it, I have proven that Calzaghe is a fraud :good
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China_hand_Joe · Jul 15, 2009

kosaros said: ↑

So there you have it, I have proven Calzaghe is the GOAT and there is now no denying it with these facts being displayed right in front of you. :good
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You have proven nothing. Calzaghe lacks legacy, he lacks a little greatness. You are a moron.

Calzaghe is the most effective (ie the best) boxer in history probably, but you cannot argue he was ever able to express his boxing artistry and because the very greatest. He just isn't that famous.

The best ever? Yes.

The greatest? No.

money21207 · Jul 15, 2009

kosaros said: ↑

As the thread title states, Joe Calzaghe is the greatest of all time and there is no doubting this obvious fact. He is so underestimated that some sick individuals (probably 'bad' Chad Dawson fans) don't even rate him as the greatest Brit fighter of all time. To be honest I don't know how those people sleep at night. I mean Calzaghe has all the attributes needed to be the best:

Does he have a granite chin? Yes
Does he have the heart of a lion? Yes
Does he have power in both hands? Yes
Does he have lightning fast speed in both his hands and movement? Yes
Does he have unmatched stamina resources? Yes

Plus, added to all of these attributes, he has an unmatched resume of a stunning variety of fighters, ranging from fellow hall of fame legends like Hopkins to the greatest prospects like Lacy. Here is a breakdown of just some of the fighters Calzaghe defeated with ease:

Chris Eubank: Eubank is a world class British fighter that held the WBO world title as Middleweight for numerous years and was seen as the first test to Calzaghe. Oh how everyone was wrong, Calzaghe took his first chance of world glory by flooring the iron chinned Eubank in the very first round en route to a very convincing decision. Thus the legend began his incredible super-middleweight title run.

Robin Reid: Another world class British fighter for Calzaghe to fight. Reid had only lost one fight coming into the Calzaghe fight and was at his very peak (past his peak he 'beat' Ottke, although was robbed). He provided to be a challenge for cetain parts of the fight, yet Calzaghe for the most part outboxed his opponent with just one hand! Yes, Calzaghe had injured his other hand so had to beat a world class opponent with one hand and that is exactly what he did and very convincingly he did it as well.

Mario Veit: This unbeaten German tank was the physically bigger fighter when he and Calzaghe met and was very much reported to have a chin just as good as Calzaghe's. Due to Calzaghe finding this disrespectful to his own chin, he knocked out Veit in the very first round, which resulted in his chin turning to glass. Calzaghe won a return fight in similar devastating fashion.

Byron Mitchell: The heavy-handed American came into the fight and was actually the first person to floor Calzaghe in his entire career. Yet this was just mind games from Calzaghe and he lured Mitchell into a false sense of security and unleashed the power to knock Mitchell out.

Jeff Lacy: Dubbed as the next 'Tyson', Lacy came into the Calzaghe fight as the favourite due to the power he had displayed in knocking out previous Calzaghe victim, Reid who had never touched the canvas before. The fight however turned out to be a mismatch, as Calzaghe proved to utterly destroy his opponent by landing an unprecedented 1009 punches and win every single minute of every round. Calzaghe had secured his legacy, but was only warming up.

Mikkel Kessler: After routine wins against very good competitors Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo, Calzaghe decided to unify the division he had dominated for so many years. Kessler was the opponent in the opposite corner who was unbeaten, younger and the boxing journalists favourite for the fight. Calzaghe was to prove them wrong yet again though as he outworked and outboxed his opponent to a very convincing decision in front of over 50,000 fans in the unmissable super fight of the ages.

Bernard Hopkins: It was now time to crack America and Calzaghe decided to fight Hopkins who was regarded as one of the p4p best in the world, and even moved up in weight to make the fight happen/ Although Hopkins tried his best to stop the Calzaghe whirlwind, Calzaghe again was the victor as he outworked his opponent, who in the end was hanging on for dear life.

Roy Jones Junior: Roy Jones Junior was regarded by some as the best of the generation, whilst Calzaghe was also regarded as the best of the generation. To find out who truly was the best of the generation they met in a super fight. Calzaghe gave Roy Jones the biggest beating of his life (although was kind enough to let him hear the final bell) and due to the manner of this victory, Calzaghe was not only the greatest of his generation, but the greatest of all time. Fact!

So that is the stellar company that Calzaghe boxed in and he beat them all in very convincing fashion. So how would he have fared against some of the all-time greats? Well I have selected a few all-time greats and given my unbiased view as to who would be the victor in these p4p match-ups:

Sugar Ray Robinson: Robinson is without a doubt behind only Calzaghe as the greatest fighter to ever live. Yet losses to journeyman do not help his cause in a match-up to Calzaghe and he even lost to Randolph Turpin who only just about scrapes into the top 10 Brit fighters of all time! Calzaghe with his superior stamina would outwork Robinson to a close, but clear descision in 12 rounds a very clear decision over 15.

Muhammad Ali: 'The greatest' is very much the greatest heavyweight of all time, yet it is hard to envisage him beating Calzaghe. Firstly an opponent like Ken Norton gave Ali all the trouble he could handle and Calzaghe is very much superior to Norton, meaning the trouble Norton caused (which included a victory in their first encounter) would be multiplied by 10 and Calzaghe would win a decision as he outworks Ali.

Roberto Duran: Possibly the greatest lightweight of all time, but he did struggle with Hearns who had a superior reach and kept Duran at bay, making him ineffective and useless. Hearns then ended the fight in the 2nd round. Due to Calzaghe possessing the same type of concussive power as Hearns, he could do a similar job, although I would suspect he would carry Duran until the middle rounds at least, due to Calzaghe's good nature.

Sugar Ray Leonard: Leonard was one of the finest welterweights of all time and possessed fantastic hand speed that could get him out of trouble. Yet it was shown in the Hearn's encounters that he can be outboxed by a fighter with a superior reach and height advantage, which Calzaghe would possess in the match-up, and he can be drawn into a fight as seen in the first Duran fight, which would be playing right into Calzaghe's gameplan. Due to these factors Calzaghe would win a wide unanimous decision.

Rocky Marciano: Another fighter who retired with an unblemished record, although he fought in what was a weak era and was getting outboxed by an old Walcott until he found the punch to stop Walcott. Due to Calzaghe possessing an iron chin, the flat footed Marciano could not play his 'get out of free' card and would comprehensively be outboxed, although his chin should hold up to let him lose only by a desision.

So those are some of the all-time greats, how about matching him up with a current fighter fighting around Calzaghe's weight?

Chad Dawson: What is the point in compairing? Calzaghe wins whenever and however he wants.

So there you have it, I have proven Calzaghe is the GOAT and there is now no denying it with these facts being displayed right in front of you. :good
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lol funny stuff man keep it comin

TheChamp1000 · Jul 15, 2009

Mugen said: ↑

Alot of internet warriors up in here. Posting their height and ****. HAHAHA!!!

Kids.

Oh and Calzaghe wouldn't even get inside the top 100 with that weak opposition of his.
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:-( That's a silly statement, not in the top 100!!! Post your top 100 now and let us pick holes in it.

Calzaghe is p4p the greatest talked about and disputed boxer on these forums.
He is retired and this thread while tongue in cheek has already ran to 20 pages.

Caper · Jul 15, 2009

Holy **** balls this has to be the most homo erotic thread I've ever read on esb. Its obvious the thread starter has lost all ability to reason. I fear his sense of rational has been rendered useless. He was probably watching a calz fight in a pub in wales got into an altercation was knocked out and an image of claz, who was really an emt, came to his rescue. Its a cold world out there and to think that such a mind exist like the one that made this thread has only made it colder. Mankind has regressed as a whole after this. I still think joe is hall of famer....

socrates · Jul 15, 2009

even i have a wry smile at this one.

kosaros · Jul 15, 2009

Brit Sillynanny said: ↑

Good wind up thread

No time to read any of it though.

Without giving it careful thought, I've got Joe at about #8 (could be a little lower) on the
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(just looking at the combination of TALENT/ATHLETICISM/SKILL/POWER/TOUGHNESS - not who had the best record, matchmaking, most careful promoter, the most predisposed local refs, abundant back pocket judges, etc.).

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Ok firstly how the hell can you rate these guys above Cazlaghe at super-middleweight when only looking at their achievements at the weight???

Eubank is a great fighter, but lost to Collins twice and defeated by 'super' Joe Calzaghe. He arguably lost to Benn in the rematch and got some gift decisions.

Benn has one of the greatest wins in British history (up there with Lacy), yet three losses at the end of only a few fights at super-middle do not help his cause.

Liles was good, he holds a win over Nunn, yet was knocked out by Byron Mitchell, who was subsequently knocked out by Calzaghe - which places Calzaghe above Liles (and lets not forget everything else Calzaghe has done).

RJJ, Toney, Nunn and Hearns never did enough at the weight to even rank alongside Calzaghe.

Caper · Jul 15, 2009

socrates said: ↑

even i have a wry smile at this one.
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Why am I not surprised.

pehun · Jul 15, 2009

Is the thread an ironic one, or are simply a crazy noob?

Dustaine · Jul 15, 2009

Dan684 said: ↑

How can someone with 15 posts talk about credibility on the forum ?
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Credibility is not a matter of quantity, you schmuck, it's a matter of quality.

kosaros · Jul 15, 2009

pehun said: ↑

Is the thread an ironic one, or are simply a crazy noob?
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How can someone with only 27 posts call someone a noob?

Losfer_Words · Jul 15, 2009

BADINTENTIONS2 said: ↑

if you want to debate something but an opinion forward...the poster posted trash and i judged it accordingly.

cheap shots dont work with me.
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BADINTENTIONS2 said: ↑

actually im the sort of twat who settles my differences in person rather than with an online persona.
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BADINTENTIONS2 said: ↑

ive already told you where to find me if you ever want to find out if im for real.

but i also know youre an online persona who doesnt have the balls to back up what you say. thats normal for internet posters..and the only thing that pisses you off is that you can never be a man in real life.

thats why people like you need the accolades of the people around you.

if anyone thinks this loser needs defending, ill tell you exactly where i am...because this ***** wont try his hand. i promise you that much.
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Is this bloke for real? He sounds a right keyboard warrior! He must be joking as I cannot understand someone saying all of those things with a straight face and actually meaning them:bart.

Dan684 said: ↑

Ha Ha - OOOOOH TONY DONT HIT ME AGAIN PLEASE :rofl:
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:yep:bbb

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