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Joe Calzaghe is the Greatest Of All Time

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Glasschin Guest

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As the thread title states, Joe Calzaghe is the greatest of all time and there is no doubting this obvious fact. He is so underestimated that some sick individuals (probably 'bad' Chad Dawson fans) don't even rate him as the greatest Brit fighter of all time. To be honest I don't know how those people sleep at night. I mean Calzaghe has all the attributes needed to be the best:

Does he have a granite chin? Yes
Does he have the heart of a lion? Yes
Does he have power in both hands? Yes
Does he have lightning fast speed in both his hands and movement? Yes
Does he have unmatched stamina resources? Yes

Plus, added to all of these attributes, he has an unmatched resume of a stunning variety of fighters, ranging from fellow hall of fame legends like Hopkins to the greatest prospects like Lacy. Here is a breakdown of just some of the fighters Calzaghe defeated with ease:

Chris Eubank: Eubank is a world class British fighter that held the WBO world title as Middleweight for numerous years and was seen as the first test to Calzaghe. Oh how everyone was wrong, Calzaghe took his first chance of world glory by flooring the iron chinned Eubank in the very first round en route to a very convincing decision. Thus the legend began his incredible super-middleweight title run.

Robin Reid: Another world class British fighter for Calzaghe to fight. Reid had only lost one fight coming into the Calzaghe fight and was at his very peak (past his peak he 'beat' Ottke, although was robbed). He provided to be a challenge for cetain parts of the fight, yet Calzaghe for the most part outboxed his opponent with just one hand! Yes, Calzaghe had injured his other hand so had to beat a world class opponent with one hand and that is exactly what he did and very convincingly he did it as well.

Mario Veit: This unbeaten German tank was the physically bigger fighter when he and Calzaghe met and was very much reported to have a chin just as good as Calzaghe's. Due to Calzaghe finding this disrespectful to his own chin, he knocked out Veit in the very first round, which resulted in his chin turning to glass. Calzaghe won a return fight in similar devastating fashion.

Byron Mitchell: The heavy-handed American came into the fight and was actually the first person to floor Calzaghe in his entire career. Yet this was just mind games from Calzaghe and he lured Mitchell into a false sense of security and unleashed the power to knock Mitchell out.

Jeff Lacy: Dubbed as the next 'Tyson', Lacy came into the Calzaghe fight as the favourite due to the power he had displayed in knocking out previous Calzaghe victim, Reid who had never touched the canvas before. The fight however turned out to be a mismatch, as Calzaghe proved to utterly destroy his opponent by landing an unprecedented 1009 punches and win every single minute of every round. Calzaghe had secured his legacy, but was only warming up.

Mikkel Kessler: After routine wins against very good competitors Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo, Calzaghe decided to unify the division he had dominated for so many years. Kessler was the opponent in the opposite corner who was unbeaten, younger and the boxing journalists favourite for the fight. Calzaghe was to prove them wrong yet again though as he outworked and outboxed his opponent to a very convincing decision in front of over 50,000 fans in the unmissable super fight of the ages.

Bernard Hopkins: It was now time to crack America and Calzaghe decided to fight Hopkins who was regarded as one of the p4p best in the world, and even moved up in weight to make the fight happen/ Although Hopkins tried his best to stop the Calzaghe whirlwind, Calzaghe again was the victor as he outworked his opponent, who in the end was hanging on for dear life.

Roy Jones Junior: Roy Jones Junior was regarded by some as the best of the generation, whilst Calzaghe was also regarded as the best of the generation. To find out who truly was the best of the generation they met in a super fight. Calzaghe gave Roy Jones the biggest beating of his life (although was kind enough to let him hear the final bell) and due to the manner of this victory, Calzaghe was not only the greatest of his generation, but the greatest of all time. Fact!

So that is the stellar company that Calzaghe boxed in and he beat them all in very convincing fashion. So how would he have fared against some of the all-time greats? Well I have selected a few all-time greats and given my unbiased view as to who would be the victor in these p4p match-ups:

Sugar Ray Robinson: Robinson is without a doubt behind only Calzaghe as the greatest fighter to ever live. Yet losses to journeyman do not help his cause in a match-up to Calzaghe and he even lost to Randolph Turpin who only just about scrapes into the top 10 Brit fighters of all time! Calzaghe with his superior stamina would outwork Robinson to a close, but clear descision in 12 rounds a very clear decision over 15.

Muhammad Ali: 'The greatest' is very much the greatest heavyweight of all time, yet it is hard to envisage him beating Calzaghe. Firstly an opponent like Ken Norton gave Ali all the trouble he could handle and Calzaghe is very much superior to Norton, meaning the trouble Norton caused (which included a victory in their first encounter) would be multiplied by 10 and Calzaghe would win a decision as he outworks Ali.

Roberto Duran: Possibly the greatest lightweight of all time, but he did struggle with Hearns who had a superior reach and kept Duran at bay, making him ineffective and useless. Hearns then ended the fight in the 2nd round. Due to Calzaghe possessing the same type of concussive power as Hearns, he could do a similar job, although I would suspect he would carry Duran until the middle rounds at least, due to Calzaghe's good nature.

Sugar Ray Leonard: Leonard was one of the finest welterweights of all time and possessed fantastic hand speed that could get him out of trouble. Yet it was shown in the Hearn's encounters that he can be outboxed by a fighter with a superior reach and height advantage, which Calzaghe would possess in the match-up, and he can be drawn into a fight as seen in the first Duran fight, which would be playing right into Calzaghe's gameplan. Due to these factors Calzaghe would win a wide unanimous decision.

Rocky Marciano: Another fighter who retired with an unblemished record, although he fought in what was a weak era and was getting outboxed by an old Walcott until he found the punch to stop Walcott. Due to Calzaghe possessing an iron chin, the flat footed Marciano could not play his 'get out of free' card and would comprehensively be outboxed, although his chin should hold up to let him lose only by a desision.

So those are some of the all-time greats, how about matching him up with a current fighter fighting around Calzaghe's weight?

Chad Dawson: What is the point in compairing? Calzaghe wins whenever and however he wants.

So there you have it, I have proven Calzaghe is the GOAT and there is now no denying it with these facts being displayed right in front of you. :good
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Bhop by far is way better J.C is good but lost to Bhop clearly!!!!!!atsch

Glasschin, Jul 15, 2009

Glasschin, Jul 15, 2009

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lolspud Guest

If he's the greatest of all time, then why are people so shaky to even put him forward as a legend? Why would you say Calzaghe is the GOAT when you have people like Ali and Lamotta? No-one can make a claim of Calzaghe dominating a division or fighting the best. I'm not disputing he's had a few tough bouts like Kessler and the dismantling of Lacy was impressive but is that really enough to classify the guy as 'the best'? A man who stayed and fought in his hometown for so many years?

An undefeated streak means nothing when there was fights out there that people wonder about, and I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about back in the day.

lolspud, Jul 15, 2009

lolspud, Jul 15, 2009

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kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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Glasschin said: ↑

Bhop by far is way better J.C is good but lost to Bhop clearly!!!!!!atsch
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Watch the fight again, Calzaghe clearly won the fight - close, but clear.

lolspud said: ↑

If he's the greatest of all time, then why are people so shaky to even put him forward as a legend? Why would you say Calzaghe is the GOAT when you have people like Ali and Lamotta? No-one can make a claim of Calzaghe dominating a division or fighting the best. I'm not disputing he's had a few tough bouts like Kessler and the dismantling of Lacy was impressive but is that really enough to classify the guy as 'the best'? A man who stayed and fought in his hometown for so many years?

An undefeated streak means nothing when there was fights out there that people wonder about, and I'm not talking about now, I'm talking about back in the day.
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Lamotta? atsch

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

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twoohands Active Member Full Member

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greatest of all time? pffft..

he is a great champion but not the greatest of all time..not enough top line opponents

twoohands, Jul 15, 2009

twoohands, Jul 15, 2009

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socrates THE ORIGINAL... Full Member

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Glasschin said: ↑

Bhop by far is way better J.C is good but lost to Bhop clearly!!!!!!atsch
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*cough*****cough*

the only clear thing about that fight was hopkin's utter delusion which obviously spreads like swine flu throughout his groupies,hence that post.

gtfo calzaghe won that by a margin fool.

socrates, Jul 15, 2009

socrates, Jul 15, 2009

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Caper How about a fair shake? banned Full Member

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Lol I must say this has caused quite a stir, which was obviously the main intention. Good job.

Caper, Jul 15, 2009

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GalangK Well-Known Member Full Member

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21 pages... and still going. Sometimes I wonder how so many people can waste so much time without the world coming to a standstill.

GalangK, Jul 15, 2009

GalangK, Jul 15, 2009

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DINAMITA Guest

kosaros said: ↑

As the thread title states, Joe Calzaghe is the greatest of all time and there is no doubting this obvious fact. He is so underestimated that some sick individuals (probably 'bad' Chad Dawson fans) don't even rate him as the greatest Brit fighter of all time. To be honest I don't know how those people sleep at night. I mean Calzaghe has all the attributes needed to be the best:

Does he have a granite chin? Yes
Does he have the heart of a lion? Yes
Does he have power in both hands? Yes
Does he have lightning fast speed in both his hands and movement? Yes
Does he have unmatched stamina resources? Yes

Plus, added to all of these attributes, he has an unmatched resume of a stunning variety of fighters, ranging from fellow hall of fame legends like Hopkins to the greatest prospects like Lacy. Here is a breakdown of just some of the fighters Calzaghe defeated with ease:

Chris Eubank: Eubank is a world class British fighter that held the WBO world title as Middleweight for numerous years and was seen as the first test to Calzaghe. Oh how everyone was wrong, Calzaghe took his first chance of world glory by flooring the iron chinned Eubank in the very first round en route to a very convincing decision. Thus the legend began his incredible super-middleweight title run.

Robin Reid: Another world class British fighter for Calzaghe to fight. Reid had only lost one fight coming into the Calzaghe fight and was at his very peak (past his peak he 'beat' Ottke, although was robbed). He provided to be a challenge for cetain parts of the fight, yet Calzaghe for the most part outboxed his opponent with just one hand! Yes, Calzaghe had injured his other hand so had to beat a world class opponent with one hand and that is exactly what he did and very convincingly he did it as well.

Mario Veit: This unbeaten German tank was the physically bigger fighter when he and Calzaghe met and was very much reported to have a chin just as good as Calzaghe's. Due to Calzaghe finding this disrespectful to his own chin, he knocked out Veit in the very first round, which resulted in his chin turning to glass. Calzaghe won a return fight in similar devastating fashion.

Byron Mitchell: The heavy-handed American came into the fight and was actually the first person to floor Calzaghe in his entire career. Yet this was just mind games from Calzaghe and he lured Mitchell into a false sense of security and unleashed the power to knock Mitchell out.

Jeff Lacy: Dubbed as the next 'Tyson', Lacy came into the Calzaghe fight as the favourite due to the power he had displayed in knocking out previous Calzaghe victim, Reid who had never touched the canvas before. The fight however turned out to be a mismatch, as Calzaghe proved to utterly destroy his opponent by landing an unprecedented 1009 punches and win every single minute of every round. Calzaghe had secured his legacy, but was only warming up.

Mikkel Kessler: After routine wins against very good competitors Sakio Bika and Peter Manfredo, Calzaghe decided to unify the division he had dominated for so many years. Kessler was the opponent in the opposite corner who was unbeaten, younger and the boxing journalists favourite for the fight. Calzaghe was to prove them wrong yet again though as he outworked and outboxed his opponent to a very convincing decision in front of over 50,000 fans in the unmissable super fight of the ages.

Bernard Hopkins: It was now time to crack America and Calzaghe decided to fight Hopkins who was regarded as one of the p4p best in the world, and even moved up in weight to make the fight happen/ Although Hopkins tried his best to stop the Calzaghe whirlwind, Calzaghe again was the victor as he outworked his opponent, who in the end was hanging on for dear life.

Roy Jones Junior: Roy Jones Junior was regarded by some as the best of the generation, whilst Calzaghe was also regarded as the best of the generation. To find out who truly was the best of the generation they met in a super fight. Calzaghe gave Roy Jones the biggest beating of his life (although was kind enough to let him hear the final bell) and due to the manner of this victory, Calzaghe was not only the greatest of his generation, but the greatest of all time. Fact!

So that is the stellar company that Calzaghe boxed in and he beat them all in very convincing fashion. So how would he have fared against some of the all-time greats? Well I have selected a few all-time greats and given my unbiased view as to who would be the victor in these p4p match-ups:

Sugar Ray Robinson: Robinson is without a doubt behind only Calzaghe as the greatest fighter to ever live. Yet losses to journeyman do not help his cause in a match-up to Calzaghe and he even lost to Randolph Turpin who only just about scrapes into the top 10 Brit fighters of all time! Calzaghe with his superior stamina would outwork Robinson to a close, but clear descision in 12 rounds a very clear decision over 15.

Muhammad Ali: 'The greatest' is very much the greatest heavyweight of all time, yet it is hard to envisage him beating Calzaghe. Firstly an opponent like Ken Norton gave Ali all the trouble he could handle and Calzaghe is very much superior to Norton, meaning the trouble Norton caused (which included a victory in their first encounter) would be multiplied by 10 and Calzaghe would win a decision as he outworks Ali.

Roberto Duran: Possibly the greatest lightweight of all time, but he did struggle with Hearns who had a superior reach and kept Duran at bay, making him ineffective and useless. Hearns then ended the fight in the 2nd round. Due to Calzaghe possessing the same type of concussive power as Hearns, he could do a similar job, although I would suspect he would carry Duran until the middle rounds at least, due to Calzaghe's good nature.

Sugar Ray Leonard: Leonard was one of the finest welterweights of all time and possessed fantastic hand speed that could get him out of trouble. Yet it was shown in the Hearn's encounters that he can be outboxed by a fighter with a superior reach and height advantage, which Calzaghe would possess in the match-up, and he can be drawn into a fight as seen in the first Duran fight, which would be playing right into Calzaghe's gameplan. Due to these factors Calzaghe would win a wide unanimous decision.

Rocky Marciano: Another fighter who retired with an unblemished record, although he fought in what was a weak era and was getting outboxed by an old Walcott until he found the punch to stop Walcott. Due to Calzaghe possessing an iron chin, the flat footed Marciano could not play his 'get out of free' card and would comprehensively be outboxed, although his chin should hold up to let him lose only by a desision.

So those are some of the all-time greats, how about matching him up with a current fighter fighting around Calzaghe's weight?

Chad Dawson: What is the point in compairing? Calzaghe wins whenever and however he wants.

So there you have it, I have proven Calzaghe is the GOAT and there is now no denying it with these facts being displayed right in front of you. :good
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This thread-starter is the ESB equivalent of an anal creampie.

The Most Hideously Inbred Poster Of The Year Award is yours! :happy

DINAMITA, Jul 15, 2009

DINAMITA, Jul 15, 2009

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lolspud Guest

kosaros said: ↑

Lamotta? atsch
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What a great nullifying point to my post.

lolspud, Jul 15, 2009

lolspud, Jul 15, 2009

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nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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I stoped reading at power in both hands.

very good fighter, very poor resume.

nezy37, Jul 15, 2009

nezy37, Jul 15, 2009

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kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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lolspud said: ↑

What a great nullifying point to my post.
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I was just pointing out something that hasn't been said yet. I have pretty much replied to similar accusations that were in your post, so I thought I would pick your Lamotta comment because that had not been mentioned in the thread so far.

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

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kosaros Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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nezy37 said: ↑

I stoped reading at power in both hands.

very good fighter, very poor resume.
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Just look at some of his earlier fights were he displays his raw power, his brittle hands are one of the saddest stories in modern boxing history, but he didn't let this get him down, he just altered his style in the latter part of his career.

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

kosaros, Jul 15, 2009

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bxrfan Sizzle Full Member

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Will this thread be longer than the Duran one? Let's find out!

bxrfan, Jul 15, 2009

bxrfan, Jul 15, 2009

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Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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wow.... there are so many delusional people in this world, in every country. ESB Forums constantly remind me of this fact.
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Mate its a massive wind up. Guys from the Brit forum often do this. I'm amazed people keep falling for it.

Boro chris, Jul 15, 2009

Boro chris, Jul 15, 2009

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nezy37 Boxing Addict Full Member

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kosaros said: ↑

Just look at some of his earlier fights were he displays his raw power, his brittle hands are one of the saddest stories in modern boxing history, but he didn't let this get him down, he just altered his style in the latter part of his career.
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Did you choose to ignore the weak resume part of my post?

You have to be trolling, no one is this stupid

nezy37, Jul 15, 2009

nezy37, Jul 15, 2009

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