Joe Calzaghe is the least proven, most managed undefeated fighter that ever lived

I do not like RJJ, never did . . . only fell sorry for the guy.

to answer your question, at the time I did not give a **** about the division but rather the two fighters fighting, they could have fought in my backyard for the school ground title and it would have been a great fight. the same can be said for SRL v Hearns. That does not undermine my point that as the newest kid on the Block the SMW division had not gained the credibility of the LHW or the MW divisions. I will say one thing, Joe did a lot to establish the division as a real one, but NO ONE thought anything of it when I grew up

 

In the UK the SMW division was exciting with Eubank, Benn, Watson, Collins then Calzaghe. It doesn't matter what the division is, if you beat good fighters then you deserve full credit. The LHW and MW divisions are more historic, but it doesn't make your accomplishments there any greater than if you did it at JMW or SMW. That all depends on the opposition you face.

 

Er, yes they did.Why was Toney vs Jones one of the biggest fights of the last 20 yerars ? Why did the british trio of Benn watson and Eubank pull massive crowds and TV audiences ?It was very very real before Calzaghe.

 

a new division wont attract as big a pool of boxers, they will always go where the money is, and not where its limited, and for titles they personally recognise and grew up with. theres hardly any decent practising supercruiserweights to speak of at the moment.

Now thats not to say that the top talent in the new division wont be as good as the top talent in another, but numerically there will be far less of them.

And who knows, give supercruiser 30 years and it could be the division to be in and the biggest puller of crowds. But right now, is it a big pull? A resounding NO.

 

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Jones, Toney, Mclellan, Benn, Eubank, Liles and Collins all fought at the 168 division when it was less than 10 years old. Not a bad pool of top talent at all

 

Did the best ones stay in that pool, or swim for the sea? Did that pool grow since the divisions inception, or shrink?

Its up to you how you see it, but when division is new, it has zero occupants. Thereupon it grows, therefore, it is impossible for someone to claim that a new division isnt smalerl at first, not unless they are a ****ing idiot, or live in topsy turvy land where small means big.

I am sure you arent going to be one by claiming otherwise.

 

Boxers have always moved up through the divisions. SMW quickly established itslef as a good division. How **** was MW when Hopkins ran the show ? Or does that not count?

 

Many great fighters don't stay in divisions for long. Notice how the majority of those fighters I listed all started at MW and moved up. Look at how Mayweather just recently moved up from the more historic WW divisions to the more recent JMW division. It's all about the fighters you beat, not at what division you beat them.

I've no idea where you're going with this?

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I've just shown you some of the best fighters of the last 2 decades who campaigned at SMW. Many of which spent significant portions of their careers there. So that point is just wrong

After reading a few your posts, I'm pretty sure you are one

 

i dunno what to say mate. if you want to claim that the division actually shrank since its inception/early years, then be my guest, but I am not here to debate something which is obviously numerically impossible. You are welcome to debate that with someone else.

I feel I've been quite polite about it, I have not needed to base my beilefs on personal insults, so I'm happy to leave it at the numerical facts I stated.

 

It was obviously deeper in the early 90's than the late though, you cant deny that ?

 

in terms of nationally, yes, I'd have no need to deny a concentration of SMW talent in Britain, and a plus a transitory US talent on its way up to LHW.

I'd never deny that which existed, because I dont have an agenda. I am just saying what is as straightforward as there being no robins in the garden in summer,but plenty of robins in winter.

 

It was just better ,nationality or not.Why do you think Calzaghes resume gets such a kicking? There was hardly anyone at the weight to fight.SMW early 90's was amazing.

 

great to watch, but I think you are overating some of the brits. Eubank was underacheiving and Benn was somewhat overrated. The G-man, likewise. Collins, perhaps, we'll never know how far he could have gone.

Jones - obviously fantastic and SMW was perhaps his natural weight in his middle years, but he left SMW for a good reason. He didnt want to be a big fish in a small pool.

 

No you clown, I didn't claim the division shrank, era's in divisions come and go. The HW division of the 90's was stronger than today, does that mean the division has shrank? No you muppet.

The SMW division became strong shortly after it's inception, and that was shown by the fighters who I listed that campaigned there. The fact that the division is weaker today doesn't mean it's shrank, it's just a weaker era. The Super Six was a big tournament not long ago hosted in the SMW division.

Behave, you haven't tried to debate anything, you made a point which I proved was wrong. Now you're backtracking by making a strawman argument.

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Berolpee talking nonsense as usual

 

Man I would come down to that Tesco Car park and beat the laced stockings off you. I don't need no boxing lessons to do that.

You should be proud you are part of Soulja promotions son.

And who the Faaa thought Nathan Cleverly is the lineal champ You chincheckers are even dumber than first anticipated.

When you are talking to realsoulja, you are talking to BHop's right hand man (UK branch), and there is not even one BHop fan that would think Nathan Cleverly was the lineal champ.

That is 50% of the pwnage in regards to Nathan Cleverly being the LHW lineal champatsch

The next 50% of the pwnage in regards to Nathan Cleverly being the LHW lineal champ atsch is:-

realsoulja is from UK, and has been following and hating on Nathan Cleverly ever since he was hanging around Calzaghe. So how can a supporter of BHop, a hater of Nathan Cleverly, and a follower of British boxing even imagine Clev being the LHW Lineal champ. :deal

As you can see, you are not on my level, and really and truly I should be putting you in the ESB square circle with the likes of Bulletproof and Lance_Uppercut as Imperial1 is whooping your ass.

Dont be silly now, carry on you battle with Imperial1 I am inactive and sticking to setting up a promotion compamy.

You know you have to win this time vs Imperial1 then I might promote the trilogy otherwise you will be left going toe to toe with the ESB bums in the Aussie forum.