Joe Calzaghe or Floyd Mayweather who is the higher ranked ATG???

Hopkins is more than a "credible" opponent mate... I'm sorry that the slapper was a better fighter than you like to admit..but its the truth.

Calzaghe was meant to face Brian Magee over six years ago, but Magee pulled out.. When did Bute fight Magee again?

 

All we know for certain is that Ward won every single round against Mikkel Kessler, and made it look very easy. I also think that Dirrell's handspeed is far superior to Joe's and that this alone would cause the Welshman problems. I'm not the one here disregarding fighters, it's you who's trying to make out like Calzaghe was on a different planet to the current crop of Super Middleweights. All I've said is that I think Calzaghe would be in for tough nights if he was campaigning in today's division. You've taken exception to that.

To say that Kessler was "destroyed" by Joe would be a grosse overstatement.

 

Yeah, see that's the absolute humour here

People discredited the Hopkins performance at the time because ultimately Hopkins was a 42 yr old who had surely seen his best fights, despite the fact that he was coming off dominant performances against Tarver and Wright.

Since then, Hopkins has dominated Pavlik, beaten Pascal and in my view is about to dominate Dawson - he's more than just "credible"

You've also gotta remember the version of Jones Jr that Calzaghe beat up was coming off a streak of wins and had gotten himself back into the Ring Top 10. He was a shell of his former self and made into more of a shell because personally, I think out of all of his losses, the Calzaghe one humiliated him the most. He got clowned the same way he used to clown people.

46-0, 24-0 in title fights, 18 of those fights were against people who featured in Ring Top 10, All four belts in his division, the Ring titlist in two divisions.

You're just plain ****ing stupid if you don't see that as a good career.

 

The fight itself was borderline unwatchable. A very good win.

What's your point? I think if the likes of Kessler can give Joe Calzaghe a competitive fight, then I would favour the likes of Ward, Dirrell, Bute, and Froch to do the same. In fact, I would favour Ward to beat the Welshman.

 

How many times have you watched that fight? Kessler even said in his corner after round 7 "I don't know what to do!!"

Calzaghe ..eleven years ago, said he would fight the winner of Sheika vs Johnson...Sheika won, Calzaghe DESTROYED Sheika.. I mean SAVAGED him, who is Johnson fighting eleven years later, oh yeah... Lucian Bute..

you have no argument mate

 

I don't know why you think that have the high moral ground to criticize Bladegunner while completely ignoring Relentless' endless stream of racist bull****.

 

Its the same as comparing Calzaghe/Hopkins to Jones/Calzaghe to Hopkins/Jones 2...

 

Calzaghe made it look pretty easy after Round 4, you history revionist, even HBO were talking about how dominant Calzaghe was and how they couldn't believe he had turned the tide on such a younger competitor in the way he had.

The Ward fight, You realise when the technical decision was called, the round margins were about the same as they were with Calzaghe right? 8 Rounds to 4 and 9 rounds to 3.

You're also forgetting Kessler at the time he fought Calzaghe had never lost and was on the back of years of consistent fighting, when he fought Ward, he'd had hardly any fights in ages and it was his first major fight since Calzaghe, not really an excuse but his next fight after that against Froch, he performed much better.

Ward versus Calzaghe? That's such a bad mismatch for Ward it isn't funny. Ward's headbutt is effective because of the southpaw stance against orthodox. Against Calzaghe, he would have to be blatant to land his head as much as he does, he's going to have slower handspeed on the inside, his chin is no where near as good and we know Calzaghe can throw 1000 punches in a fight.

Anyone picking Ward against Calzaghe doesn't know what stylistic differences are.

 

If you want to see one fighter destroy another then I would suggest you watch Manny Pacquiao vs Marco Antonio Barrera. If you want to see a fighter win a close but clear decision then watch Joe Calzaghe vs Mikkel Kessler.

What does this have to do with anything? Honestly.

:blood

 

Sugar Joe Calzaghe is levels above floyd... I dont see why you guys cant see that?

 

If you seriously dony know "what this has to with anything" then theres no point going on is there?


Close but clear?... You're half right.. it was clear.

 

And please, don't judge me too harshly. I had every intention of replying properly until I actually read your post.

 

Honestly, I would prefer not to discuss this any further. It almost seems like we're having two seperate debates anyhow. All I've said is that I find Joe Calzaghe's resume to be sub-standard comparatively to the level of fighter he is often compared with. The current crop of Super Middleweight's are very fine fighters, and one of them handled Kessler even more effeciently and easily than Calzaghe did. I can't go along with the idea that Joe would breeze through this division with ease. That just would not happen.

Have a good evening, BlackBrenny.

 

I disagree but fair enough.. we could go on all night and I don't have the patience for such a discussion.

 

You think you aren't see through?

Argue cycle points, get defeated, pretend it didn't happen. You're like Bernard Hopkins.