Joe Calzaghe or Ricardo López: which had the greater career?

if you cant deal with the opinions of those who watched the fight, don't answer. plenty have the opinion.

 

:good:goodGreat! Ricardo who?

 

:good:goodJust where is grateful, by the way?

 

Know some one who spoke to reid about his fight with joe
He feels he won the fight and is still waiting on the rematch Joe and enzo promised they would give him

 

Of course he never admitted to ducking Roy.

Nobody would admit to that.

This has been done to death on here.

In 99, Joe said he wasn't chasing him because he didn't want tough fights. Then in 03, he said he thought he could give Roy his greatest fight, but he'd want "The Crown Jewels" to pursue him, due to the element of risk involved. Which was fair enough, apart from nobody was ever going to pay him huge money back then, because he only really got his due respect and recognition after he'd beaten Lacy 3 years later.

So Joe didn't openly duck Roy or turn down any offers, but he never really persued him either. If he'd have genuinely wanted him, he'd have done more to land the fight. The truth is, he was more than content to repeatedly defend his WBO, SMW title. And we know that for a fact, because Joe was immensely proud of his number of title defences. Repeatedly defending his WBO, SMW strap, wasn't ever going to land him a huge money fight with the world's best fighter who fought at LHW. The fight was never viable.

 

I can't comment on who had the better career, because sadly, I don't know anything about Lopez.

I just wanted to pick up on your comments regarding Bika though. Because over at B Scene, there's a good few people who think Bika beat Joe, and at worst it should have been a draw. They're saying that Bika landed the clean shots and Joe was very scr*ppy. To be honest, I can't really remember much of it apart from that it was a dirty fight. I'll have to rewatch it. But I just wondered what your thoughts were?

:good

 

The answer is obvious.

 

Hard for me to decide....to be honest I've only seen Lopez against Rosando Alverez (Drew the first fight) and some Thai guy who was already shot by the time they fought...I think he got KOd in one round, it was one of Lopez's last fights

I've seen much more of Calzaghe, although I've never found him particularly dominant, but for whatever reason his opponents seem to have no answer

I know we all look back now and call Lacey a chump, but in 2006 that was a very good win for Calzaghe. I also remember the late 90s, Calzaghe beat Charles Brewer, and nobody gives Brewer a lot of credit, but I think that was a good win for Calzaghe

But to be honest , I am much more familiar with Calzaghe level of comp compared to Lopez's

Eubanks was a great 168 pound fighter..
Hopkins went on to win another title after losing to Calzaghe
Roy was shot by the time they fought, but to be fair Calzaghe had been calling Roy out for 10 years at that point

I'm picking Calzaghe

Also bottom line his competition was much more diverse. Calzaghe fought much more black competition than Lopez ever did

 

I'd have loved a Joe-Woods fight.

 

Answering a question with a question.

Classic.

Roy wasn't blazing a comeback trail.

We know why Joe didn't want Roy earlier.

Look at his comments and look at his resume.

It couldn't be any clearer.

 

Good points, but how do we really distinguish who 'The Man' is?

I know that Erdei had Dariusz's old belt, but he'd won that from Gonzalez, who'd beaten a faded version of Dariusz for it.

Gonzalez was a decent fighter, but nothing special.

I get what you're saying, but would Gonzalez have beaten Dariusz at his best?

If Gonzalez hadn't have fought Erdei and he'd have kept the belt, would you have classed him as 'The Man' at LHW, over the likes of Tarver and Hopkins?

I wouldn't have done.

Until he'd beaten Gonzalez, Erdei hadn't beaten anyone of note.

:good

 

I love both fighters impossible for me to pick both are ATGs.

 

And Bernard.