Joe Calzaghe: Pavlik is full of bulls***

That's more a matter of opinion DP. He was also YOUNGER when doing a lot of that. YOu don't think a fighters age changes perspectibves? reghardless of what you think, you have to acknowledge it is CALZAGHE saying how Pavlik doesn't want him, when he clearly stated he does.

 

There is not a single shread of evidence that the offer was ever made. Pavlik was out with a hand injury between the Zuniga and McKart fights; nine months. Kelly said clearly that Calzaghe never made the offer. Where is the proof that he did?

If the offer was made that would mean that Joe is saying that a guy whose best win was Zuniga was a viable opponent, but two years and seven wins (6 KO's) later he is an untested nobody. Does that make sense?

 

Post fight I can't see that what Pavlik does and have done would worry Calzaghe more than post fight Lacy and Kessler. You can't use hindsight to change such facts.

Kessler-Calzaghe was 1 year ago. You are basing the declination of Calzaghe on a bout, where it was hard to shine.

 

Well, you aren't the most objective person on Calzaghe or Kessler DP. That's a fact. Wasn't using hindsight on anything. Here's another fact.

Pavlik DID say he wanted to foght Calzaghe. Calzaghe is the one who said Pavlik really didn't want to fight. He's also said Pav NEVER mentioned him after beating Lockett. calzaghe is saying a lot of **** now. Most of which is untrue.

 

Well I try to, and nothing I have written indicates other than objectivity.

You know as well, as I do, that boxers utter these things, to either save face or build yourself up. Calzaghe said once that he offered bouts to Hopkins and Taylor and they ducked him. As far as I recall, you believed none of it. So are you selective in your judgments on equal situations?

 

Pavlik has said he wants Calzaghe but has he made an actual offer? (genuine question, does anyone know)

 

This is true.

 

Saving face is basically the same as lying. And that's what Joe C is doing with his recent statements.

Guys claim to have offered fights all the time. You want to assume I believed none of it because I am American, that's all you. Pretty petty as well. But 'calling out' is NOT an offer. Maybe to you it is. And I am not going to just believe ANYONE who said they offered a fight to another w/o some legitimate proof. And that does NOT need to come in the form of a contract.

The thing is, this situation w/ Pavlik and Calzaghe isn't even about an offer being made. I never said one WAS made, so I don't know why you brought up Joe C's offer (other then to change the sujbest). This is about what Joe is saying, which clearly contradict other things he has said.

Facts of the matter are:

Pavlik has repeatedly said he wants Calzaghe.
Calzaghe is the one saying Pavlik doesn't REALLY want to fight.
BOTH guys are hot and had momentum (that's a big part of matchmaking).
HBO was interested in that fight.
Joe decided to go after money fight against a guy he said would be pointless to fight at this stage.

THOSE are what I am talking about.

 

Honestly, even though i like the boxer, Calzaghe looks stupid with those comments.

 

I see, so you aren't talking about Pavlik has passed on an offer for a fight with Calzaghe. I approach it like that.

You are talking about a whole other thing, which is statements of who is willing to fight and who isn't.

Since you rightfully state that calling out is not an offer, and since seemingly there haven't been one from Camp Kelly, it is safe to assume that he didn't want to back up his claim - so what do you make of that? If there have been an offer from Camp Kelly then read my prior post again.

Will be back in a couple of hours.

 

Laugh at Joe getting caught in a lie.

Why the hell would he offer a fight to a at the time no name unaccomplished MW in 06.

 

I think it was because HBO made it clear that Calzaghe had to fight an American boxer...Hence the Manfrado fight.

 

Was an offer really made? Or are you just going by what Joe C has claimed? Boo seems to have the timeline showing it wasn't exactly possible or feasable. Eitherway, it is irrelevent to what's taking place today.

Exactly. And it's JOE C who keeps saying Pav doesn't want him while Pav has repeatedly stated otherwise. And really, WHY would Joe make lies like that? Or lie that Pav never mentioned him after Lockett?

That's a simplistic way to look at it, if that'a what you want. Another way is, if the other party is saying all these thigns as Joe C has been doingm, and basicaly saying there will be no fight, what's the point of drawing up a contract and setting a meeting with a party that is showing no interest?

And I never said there was an offer. There was interest shown by Pavlik and this team. You're basically arguig smenatics DP. I've said clearly what I am posting about. You coming up with the excuses.

 

calzaghe is clearly fighting rjj for the money. and he is obviously building up interest for a fight with pavlic should he get past hopkins and if he defeats rjj.
thats what boxers do. pavlic is doing exactly the same but nobody seems to acuse him of being full of ****.
why is that???????????
who gives a **** who ducked who.

 

Thanks for replying to me. This has nothing to do with what I've said you know.

Pavlik isn't doing the same because he hasn't made blatant lies towards Joe C as Calzaghe has towards him.

No kidding it's just a money fight. Never claimed any different.