Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Holyfield was old as hell and shot beyond belief and Ruiz is a bum. Jirov while a decent win was just a decent win he went on to do nothing and got knocked out by an old shot Moorer.

The Ruiz win went NC because Toney was on banned substances!

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W7AKZipJEi8


Just listen to this broadcast and how Atlas and co. Touch on James issues ..

And no one said Roy wasn't prime but the drop in weight when he had no body fat took a bigger toll on him than it did on Toney ..And going through the motions in a title defense come on now stop it

 

AnotherFan,

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Work rate and stamina would only have been advantages, had he also have possessed the will to have pressured Roy hard. Again, IMHO, I can't see any evidence to suggest that that's how Joe would have fought him. If you fight at a high pace, then stamina and work rate etc become huge advantages. But if you fight at a low pace, they become non factors. Joe's only advantages over Roy, were stamina, work rate, and his chin. But if he'd have fought cautiously, he'd have lost those advantages. That's what I believe would have happened. Offensively, Joe held no advantages. Roy was more skilled, faster, with better accuracy, better timing, more variation in his shots, with more firepower.

So the question to every one on this thread, is:

Would a guy with a huge ego, who spoke of wanting 'The Crown Jewels' to face Roy, due to element of risk involved, have gone all out and pressed him like Tarver did?

Good points.

If Joe had have fought against Roy, in the same manner as he did against Kessler, there would only have been one outcome.

But realistically, I think it would have been a low pace game of chess, with Roy pot shotting his way to a pretty dull decision win. I can't envisage Joe having a shoot out, and again, I can't envisage where he'd have pressured him hard.

I think Carl would have been aggressive, and he'd have gotten hurt.

I don't think Roy would have had many problems with Glen Johnson.

The fighters who Roy didn't fight whilst he was prime, gets blown out of proportion. Because the guys who he missed, were no better than the best guys who he fought.

That applies to pretty much anyone.


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You can't pretend to know what took a toll on who more . Toney was at odds with his trainer and manager because he didn't want to TRAIN. He even lost his very next fight. Roy had a lot more time to lose the weight than Toney did and wasn't up the night before with an IV in his arm. Toney was not near his best when they fought I am not saying this isn't a good win it is on Toney for the weight but to say it is a great win is a BS. You guys want to allow for circumstances when it comes to making Jones look good but when it goes against him you deny it. And that whole Toney was P4P top 5 and Roy moved up in weight BS but when Calzaghe moves up in weight to face lineal top 5 p4p Hopkins the win is garbage. Or when Roy drops weight and starts getting KTFO he ain't prime but a fat Toney zombie Toney is prime. You guys are so damn bias. C'mon you got Herol who I saw praising Kovalev whose best win is 50 Hopkins also saying Calzaghes win against 40 Hopkins is worthless. You guys want everyone to not just look at facts but circumstances but only when they work in your favor. On paper Jones win over Toney is awesome but if you look at the CIRCUMSTANCES it isn't .

 

Jones beating Toney was a great win over an undefeated two weight world champion that always had weight issues.

You may have a point had Jones eeked out a close decision where Toney faded down the stretch, but it was a complete masterclass.. It wasn't close, Roy had a perfect gameplan that would have worked everytime against Toney at that weight IMO.

I would also like to point out that Jones beat Tarver while weight drained. So comparing it to Toney-Jones really doesn't make any sense to me.

 

Was it Jones fault that Toney Didnt want to train Or that he was at odds with his trainer ? He could have pulled out no ?

And he lost his next fight by decision but then again he lost to him twice was that due to weight issues ? He then wins his next fight by TKO ..

And who said Joe's win over Hopkins was garbage ? I have always maintained that he gets credit for that and no matter how many times they fought Joe would always had the edge because his style which was all wrong for Hopkins .

 

No your excuses for Jones through the course of his career using circumstances but not allowing for circumstances for issues with others fighters doesn't make sense to me. Toney was a weight drained zombie who was too damn slow and flat footed to compete because of his weight issues. Yea the gameplan would have worked against that toney everytime because his body couldn't perform. These circumstances you ignore the weight gain and lost for the fight was a career high for Toney just ignore it even though it isn't the great win you make it out to be. Just like Roy Jones beating a bum Ruiz whose career was carefully handled is also a great win in your book.

 

No it wasn't Jones fault it was still a good win and that fight he won after Montell was a bum.

 

Can you please list some excues I have made for Jones? And circumstances I don't allow for?

Toney is a professional fighter, it is no ones fault but his.. Roy moved up to fight the best, and deserves full credit.

I am not ignoring anything, just that it was Toney's own damn fault, and have the opinion Roy would have smoked him anyway. Too fast of foot, he had Toney completely confused, as to where Roy even was at times... It wasn't just physical.. And I really didn't see a zombie in there, just a fighter being outmatched by a much faster guy that possibly had his number due to styles.

You seem like a hater, and are not allowing for circumstances.. I think anytime you have a former JMW beat a top 5 rated HW belt holder it is quite a feat.

 

I'm a hater says the guy who has been trolling this thread about Calzaghe right...

 

You don't even account for the circumstances of him moving up and beating a bum it doesn't matter that he held a belt he wasn't lineal and had a carefully crafted career. You seem like a Jones nut hugger. The fact he was a top 5 heavyweight only solidifies he beat a bum in a weak heavyweight era.

 

how come bum gets any version of hw title?

you lie.

even weakest ever title holders like corrie sanders are not bum.

 

I am not trolling.

And actually am a bit of a Calzaghe fan, obviously more of a Jones fan and believe he was the greater fighter.

And just like there are Jones fans that don't allow for circumstances, there are plenty of Calzaghe fans that don't as well.

 

If Toney was a bad as u say then he should have nvwr taken the fight plain and simple. I take credit away from Tarver cor dethroning Roy so why are you discrediting Roy's win for James lack of Dicipline. Its no diffrent than Duran Leonard 2 do people discredit Leonard for fighting a weight drained Duran no all yo here is No mas so don't act like the win wasn't great when leading up to the fight Jones was the underdog.

 

What there are people ****ting all over Leaonards win over Duran in the second fight it is a big point of contention with many agreeing it taints the fight. I said the win was a good win but not a great win. Toney wasn't even lineal at SMW. It's just funny because when you and Mind reader get together and someone argues facts against you YOU BOTH POINT TO CIRCUMSTANCES OVER STRAIGHT STATISTICS, RECORDS, AND FACTS but when someone points to circumstances you go to facts it is RIDICULOUS. Then I get called a hater when all MIND READER does is come in Calzaghe threads and HATE.