Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

good thing you know that an opinion aint a fact, since opposite to your claims, joe -
1. DIDNT beat everyone
2. DIDNT beat them everywhere
3. DIDNT dominate his division over 10 years, he held the crap, least revered title nearly the entire 10.
4. DIDNT unify his division over 10 years, he partially unified for a few months.

thanks for illustrating the difference between fact n opinion so profusely.

 

Herol you’re forcing me to expose you as a tit here.

1. He beat everybody he fought.

2. He beat people wherever he fought them, Cardiff, Manchester, Braunschweig, Vegas or New York.

3. He rose to dominate his division through his position as an experienced long reigning champion that everybody else was attempting to use as a marker to aim at. He was a force in the division from the moment he knocked Eubank on his arse. From that moment he was an immovable object in the division and began his rise to dominance. And yes he held the least revered title in the division for ten years. He literally made that title legitimate, he made it be considered one of, ‘the four’ legitimate titles. That speaks volumes for his greatness. At that point everybody wanted to fight him, thus,making the WBO belt the most coveted SMW title of his period because he held it. Then he went on to win all the other titles and the lineal title.

4. Unified was a separate point to dominating his division. I grant you that it could read like that.

Thats four facts there Herol, whats happening in your head now?

 

This post serves as further proof that Calslappy fans are COMPLETELY unhinged autistics.

They live in a fantasy world where Calslappy sought out challenges, not cab drivers.

Grow up.

 

actually you only succeeded in exposing yourself further as a tit and enforcing the reasons I exposed you.

Observe - earlier you wrote Calzaghe beat everyone BUT now you claim something different -

Observe - earlier you claim Calzaghe beat them everywhere, but his tenure as the least important titlist was limited to Cardiff and England with a tiny proportion elsewhere. This does not constitute everywhere, unless u have been stuck in Newbridge all your life and have little knowledge of life outside the village.

Observe - you claim he dominated the SMW division, yet Ottke held the main titles for most of Joes reign. Joe can only be argued to have dominated from his time beating Kessler to him relinquishing Kesslers titles (anything between 30 seconds, to up to a few months, depending on when joe decided to run from the next mandatory future unifed champ froch). Before this Ottke and Kessler dominated SMW between them on the whole.

However you make one true remark -

so finally -

thanks once again for confusing fact and opinion so profusely.

probably me feelin bored of exposing you as a tit

 

Joe Calzaghe was if nothing else an interesting and special fighter. He has the best resume ever at SMW and has several solid wins. Of course he was also a bit of a bullshitter. The "I don't do rematches"-quote aint that cool, and he would have done well to rematch both Reid and Hopkins. Though Calzaghe is hardly uniqe among top level boxers when it comes to issues like that. Roy Jones, arguely more talented, took the easy path when he realised he could get away with it, and why the hell didn't Andre Ward face off with Lucian Bute? Boxers who truly never back down, such as ATG Bernard Hopkins or HOF Carl Froch, are a rare breed.

It would be strange for any boxing fan not to be impressed by Calzaghe.

 

You will never feel bored of exposing me as a tit because you will never experience it to get bored of it.

Ha, ha! there is the distinct whiff of the child about this.

My word Herol, you really are a tit. I can hardly believe someone of your ability is attempting to construct an argument criticizing the notion of facts being opinion with opinion!

I said as quoted, 'he beat everyone'. This is a FACT, everyone he fought he beat, remember the 46-0 bit?

To say somehow that you've caught me out by noting he never beat 'everyone' implies you feel I meant he literally fought and beat everyone, every fighter ever! This is a logical impossibility. Now, surely only a child or a zelot would make such an interpretive error?

I did not feel the need to qualify my statement as it was logically obvious what was being stated, given the above outlined impossibility of what you were infering I meant.

Yes, I claim that Calzaghe beat them everywhere. Yes, he beat everybody and beat them everywhere he fought them. Again a logical FACT and the reality of an unbeaten record, meaning where ever he fought, Wales, England, Scotland, Germany or America, he won.

That is the point, that Calzaghe beat all his foes wherever those fights took place.

With your above quoted statement it is in fact you who has now entered a qualification. That Calzaghe, in your inference did not fight out of the UK very often. However, this is not the point, it is a separate one.

Therefore, Herol you are a tit. As clearly I stated a FACT. You did not like this fact and then you delineated from the point of fact to bring another issue up and somehow attempt to then claim your change of point meant somehow the facts of the original point were wrong. So really you conceded my fact was a fact and you had to change subject to clam some sort of victory with information that had nothing to do with the point at hand- tit.

Yes Herol, that is right he dominated the SMW division during his career as champion -FACT.

The Ring Magazine has Calzaghe ranked between the perod '97-'07 thus; 97-4th , '98-2nd , '99-2nd , '00-2nd , '01- 2nd , '02-1st , '03-1st , '04-1st , '05-1st, '06- lineal champ, '07- lineal champ.

For the same period Ottke's ratings were thus; '97-'07 thus; 97-no rating '98-4th , '99-1st , '00-1st , '01- 1st , '02-2nd , '03-2nd , '04-no rating , '05-no rating , '06- no rating , '07- no rating .

For the same period Kessler's ratings were thus; 97-no rating '98-no rating , '99-no rating , '00-no rating , '01- no rating, '02-no rating , '03-no rating , '04-2nd , '05-2nd , '06- 1st , '07- 1st .

Such FACTS Herol demonstrate my point neatly; that for the period of Calzaghe's championship he was the defining point of the division as noted by the RING magazine, as well as everybody else, apart from, of course: you and your sycophants.

For the record, the above figures are what are defined as FACTS by the laws of logic and the English language as well, of course, as the numerical laws of mathematics.

I do realise that iron laws and objectively observed fact are not things you make much use of in life, but this does not alter the FACT that this is how society operates.


Penultimately, the 'profusity' with which opinion is confused with fact is indeed a hallmark of this particular debate. However, as has been shown above, and in previous observations this crime is one committed by yourself and your fellow delusionals.

What a FACT is has been defined and demonstrated above. Which I have employed to clarify your misunderstanding and naivety on these issues (Calzaghe's ability in the first place and in the second your ignorance of what a fact is).


You are the tit.

You have such a low caliber of argument and such a high level of subjectivity, not only on professional fighters but also it seems, on the misinterpretation of the meaning of established concepts such as a FACT.

A tit, after all, is someone who:

a) Does not know what they are talking about.

b) Is determined, that in the wake of a lack of any knowledge on the subject in question, to fiercely and delusionally continue in the ignorant, and positively embarrassing pursuit of a victory without any actual legitimate substance to their argument.

c) When confronted then deviates from the point of fact and brings up something totally unconnected to the point in question to counter the point of fact.

Herol, you are guilty of all of the above and thus, you are a TIT.:deal


Have a nice day mate, I hope you enjoy your Saturday with your mum and dad and older siblings.

 

people say he had little power.......his team and he choose not to be more of a power puncher
watch his earlier fights, he was a bit of a banger, and knocking people out.
he then started getting hand issues more, and he adapted his style.
if you watch some interviews with enzo, he even mentions this, that he need to change his style to prolong his career.

 

watch the cheat stoppages, is what you mean, where the ref jumped in after 2 slaps in Cardiff and stopped the cab driver who wasnt interested in fighting in the least.

 

He had hand issues because he refused to throw a proper punch.

 

statistically backed up. not the causation and consequence of hand issues, I mean, but the lack of proper punches.

against anyone fairly good (Kessler n Hopkins n reid), his percentage of blows landed to what he threw was ALWAYS lower.

on top of which they did virtually no damage of course, requiring many dozens of blows to equate to the damage delivered by one blow of his opponents, and sometimes not even managing that in 15 rounds of blows.

if he'd learned to hit properly in the first place that would have extended his career better, but joe was just not skilled enough to do that. Skill was NEVER his forte.

Still a pretty good smw IMHO, his skills compensated for by his huge lung volume, quantity over quality, and a good chin. and awesome matchmaking of course., almost exclusively fighting wveitklings all his career.

 

so many over the years say "not enough power", big hitters are exciting yes, but there is more to being a boxer than having a powerful punch, calzaghe was incredible fit and could work at a solid pace for 12rnds he had a good chin and speed was second to none. calzaghe is very impressive in my eyes.

 

I already did feel bored of it yesterday, way too late for your backpedalling now.

he beat everyone he fought yeah. but he didn't beat everyone by implication, in any definitive set of smws.
Now accept that he didn't beat everyone, he only beat the select group he fought. As Bernard Hopkins said to Joe ' Who have you beat?" speaks volumes when Joe embarrassingly croaked "Kessler" and was duly laughed at. they laugh at YOU too.

and wherever they took place is not everywhere

 

Weak, Weak **** Herol. Your level of rhetoric is pathetic.

Yesterday? Clearly you are delluded. Back peddleing? Your the one backpeddling by trying to point blank ignore the statement that you will never make me look like a tit. You are refusing to engage because you just got owned like a cheap Marseille *****:deal

 

No Herol, they are all laughing at you. As they all notice you've dropped your FACT critique, because as stated you got owned on that like some cheap Marseille *****.

You are a zelot who is pent up with rage about something you evidently know very little about.

Yes it is Herol. Again your general low quality is ripping right out of your weak and non FACTual words. 'Wherever they took place' is everywhere they took place, by logical extension of the denotation: 'everywhere' and the statement, 'took place'.

As noted, your rhetoric skills are **** poor and thus; your ability to create even coherant, nevermind valid or penetrating critique is a joke, that get this, ...........everyone is LAUGHING AT YOU FOR:deal

How much more public embarrassment do you want Herol?

 

NO ONE in the history of the sport of baaxing draws more intensely debated debates than Joseph William Calzaghe

Floyd and Manny dont come close to this guy in terms of indepth analytical debate that spans coutless billions of pages here on Eastside Baaxing


Forever the Enigma
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