Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

cowardzaghe, is how u spell it, the only smw to count 2 40somethings as his career bests. in fact the only person in Any division! that cowardly.

nardo has more than 4 atgs/hofs in their primes or near.

the difference is the grand canyon.

 

joe runs in terror from anyone who might beat him.

many times now.

 

As time goes on, and once the hype dies down. People will criticise and seriously question Calzaghes legacy.

 

That's the conclusion you will reach if you have an unbiased look at it.

If you rather want to be biased, that's fine. There's no law against it :good

In general, a boxer who fights at a high pace for 12 rounds has "something left" even in if he loses against someone like Carl Thompson.

 

No, Eubank was training to fight at Light Heavyweight when he was asked by the WBO to step in for Collins. Much less weight to drop. Eubank himself claimed that losing weight in time to make the fight wasn't that much of an issue for him and he'd done similar before.

Eubank held his own against the younger Calzaghe in spite of the poor preparation he had, he then went on to have two wars with with Carl Thompson - arguably doing enough to win the first though officially Thompson won and being ahead on all card when the doctor stopped the second in the 9th round because of swelling over his eye.

Anyone who says Eubank had nothing left when he fought Calzaghe obviously hasn't watch the fight or the two fights with Thompson afterwards.

 

eubank wasn't finished of course, but he clearly wasn't interested in covering old ground by winning his title back. He was simply game on the night (100%) though horribly unprepared (40%) and at the tail end of his career(60%) so on average about 66% of himself.

Whereas Joe was 120% prepared and gave 120% and 120% wanted it, which was enough to give him the edge against someone who would have clowned him in his prime if 66% eubank was enough to almost match 120% joe..

 

bailey,

This is very weak from you.

You've only replied to one of my three posts, and then have pretended you didn't read a large section, just because you were faced with questions that you didn't want to answer.

No, I don't think Bernard could ever have made WW. We know he was naturally bigger. But you've continuously tried to imply that there was a big disparity in size. Yet there wasn't. There wasn't much between them on the night, and Tito weighed more.

I'm ignoring the glove wrap query, because there was no evidence.

Ricky never looked comfortable at WW. He wasn't happy above LWW. But he had to fight there again to get the Floyd fight.

Cotto looks a lot more comfortable at the weight to me. But of course, everyone is different.

I liked Joppy. I didn't think he was amazing, but I thought he was a good fighter. Again, I think Tito looked comfortable at the weight.

You can do what you want.

But it's a fact that the most accomplished fighter at the weight, had done NOTHING at the weight for three years.

As above.

You're dismissing Tito because he only had one fight at MW, yet are then completely dismissing the fact that Eubank had LEFT the SMW division, and done nothing at the weight for three years.

Some fighters have stay busy fights just out of their weight class. But Eubank was fighting at CW, and he seemingly had no intention of returning to SMW until he got the call, hence why he was scheduled to fight Prince at LHW.

I couldn't care less if there were ten divisions between them when they debuted. We know why you keep bringing it up, because you're desperate to imply there was a huge disparity in size.

Yet there wasn't. Bernard made his debut in 1988. How many MW fights did he have in his career? He fought Tito a whopping thirteen years later, where his walking around weight between fights was only a few pounds over. His rehydration weight was only a few pounds over. Tito weighed more than Hopkins. Give or take a few inches in size and reach, they were practically the same size. The size had no bearing on the outcome of the fight. You're clutching at straws.

Go and watch the fight. It's not like Bernard rehydrated like Canelo or Chavez Jnr. The size had no bearing on the outcome of the fight.

Yeah, you really got me there didn't you?

I rate a win based on the criteria that I've submitted on numerous occasions. Any accomplishments are a factor, and they are taken into consideration along with everything else.

Yes, I rate an older fighter beating a younger fighter for the undisputed MW championship, higher than a younger fighter beating an older fighter for a vacant belt, that wasn't respected or rated.

There's nothing to brush over.

There was thirteen years between 1988 and 2001.

On the day of the fight, there was no huge disparity in size.

After the fight, Hopkins fought another eight times at the weight.


No, I wouldn't call Joe's win over Kessler great. Again, it was for Joe personally, but not in my opinion, because I don't think Kessler is great.

You've clearly no intention of doing this.

I don't believe you.

Now, I've answered every one of your points, so please answer these simple questions.

1. You think that Froch and Kessler were faded when they fought Ward. So I'm asking you straight, do you think Eubank was faded when he fought Joe?

2. Do you think Eubank was bigger than Joe?

3. What's your opinion on Joe saying in 2002, that he hadn't beaten any great fighters?

4. How has Serge blown me out of the water?


:good

 

Calzaghe, the only fighter whos resume is so poor he needs donations of other fighters.

 

I think it would have gone the distance had they fought in 2002.

:good

 

I do feel Calzaghe at his best beats Eubank at his best.... Neither of them were at their peak when they fought, but too many write Eubank off as shot.. He was a live dog that night.

 

For your statement to make sense, it would require Hopkins to be an ATG top 5 himself

 

Sorry just because a guy gives a decent account of himself in the later stages of his career you can't claim he was at his best or close to it because of who he is ..Chris ' best days were long gone by the time he fought Joe that's why he retired not to long after ..There are a ton guys who go out on their shield but that doesn't mean that on the night that was the best versions of them..


That's like saying well the Morales that Garcia and Maidana recently fought sure had something left so I guess those wins were really good because Morales gave a decent performance for 12 rds...Sorry but he was shot as as was Chris !

 

ROFLMAO you are a frigging idiot
You claim Hopkins is scared of Slappy Calzaghe the Welsh wimp yet in 2 days time Bernard gets in the ring with Kovalev ?" Nard offered to go to wales to fight Slappy he even said Enzo could be ref LOL. What did Slappy do?? He punked out & retired to a life of cocaine abuse, alcohol abuse &chasing skanky hos Calzaghe wouldn't dare make a comeback unless he can fight Mario Veit AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!:hi::hi:

 

To be fair a lot of people would opt for a retirement full of drugs and ho chasing if they had the means to do it. Can't fault the man there.