Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

yup.

theres a kind of logic when you examine what joe said - why wasn't joe chasing roy jones, as he most blatantly said he wasnt? simply because roy was not in joes league until roy was turning 40something.

since picking 40somethings is, categorically, joes league. no other smw champion, let alone in any other weight, felt they needed to fight in a 40something league. ITS JUST JOE ALONE.

 

Jones would have spanked joe if he was anywhere the fighter he was in the 90s. Nobody beats a prime roy.

 

Why would big name American fighters have wanted to fight average mandatories? Because obviously that held top priority. It's not like the American boxing fans would miss out on Roys or Bernards fights because they fought a European title holder instead of another anonymous sacrifice. Pay-per-view-money is a wonderful thing.

Joe said himself he thought fighting Roy was too dangerous. But it was still kind of lame of Roy too pretend Joe didn't exist, and when it comes to Bernard there are pointers at Joe actually going after him but Bernard prizing himself out.

Roy and Bernard wasn't too great to throw out Joes name. They were too catious. What weight they were at a specific moment in time is not of such a great relevance. Floyd and Pac moved up and down in weight were the fights could be find so much it made you dizzy.

 

bailey,

Another reply that you can't counter, so you've claimed that you stopped reading.

I doubt that there's a poster on here, who when in the middle of a debate, would suddenly stop reading after a single paragraph.

But you should always read my replies, you'll learn something.

:good

 

The fight was never viable.

What do you mean the weight they were fighting at wasn't relevant?

Of course it was relevant.

Roy was the unified LHW champ.

Joe was relatively unknown stateside, and he held a lightly regarded belt, on another continent, in a different division.

Which meant:

There was no demand for the fight.

Roy fought nearly all of his mandatories.

If Joe had've moved up to LHW earlier, he may have been one.


You can't compare Floyd and Manny's circumstances to Joe's in the early 00's.

When Joe spoke of fighting the likes of Roy in 2001, he'd only had about 6 of his fights shown in the U.S. and the Thornberry and Starie fights had bombed.

 

so roy kept on fighting guys no one had ever heard of.

 

I didnt need to counter anything. You put your own foot right in it with your own comment.
I stopped at the point where you first messed up, which amusingly was your first comment
I noted how you said Jones would have pushed for it (Calzaghe fight), and instantly thought of how DM who was calling Jones out, didnt happen and realised it was a long post with no substance again.
Sorry, make the posts a bit shorter and more accurate and I will have a good read, but when it was as daft a comment as you started with, and just once again an opinion only comment from you and not a fact, there was nothing to counter. It was just your opinion, saying what Jones would do, when you dont know what Jones would do and history has shown otherwise atsch

 

Someone explain.

People comment about a comment Calzaghe made in 99 where he said he wasnt chasing Jones, yet if they read the whole article it reads how Calzaghe wouldnt pass it up if it came along, but wasnt chasing at that time.
That was in 99.
Why do people then try and use that, when it was obvious he had a change of opinion, because he agreed to face Jones in 00 and was calling Roy out in 00, 01 and 02.
Why do people try and cover over that part?

You Tube
6:45 in. "For 2 years Calzaghe has chased pound for pound number one Roy Jones, but to no avail".
You Tube
#!
also:
*THIS VIDEO IS ON YOUTUBE: 'Roy Jones jr looks ahead to Calzaghe'*

Steve Bunce: When did Joe first pop up in a conversation?

Roy Jones: When he beat Chris Eubank I started watching him then.

Steve Bunce: 1997

Roy Jones: I knew it then...but he then kinda backed down on the opponents he was fighting so I RELEASED THE IDEA OF IT [fighting Joe].

So Jones admits he was aware of Joe early on, but wasn't interested in fighting him.


BBC, 21st November 2001.
"It's all very well being the best in the world, but you need big names for big fights," he reflects.

A fight with the Eric Lucas, the WBC champion, is a possibility, but unification fights are notoriously hard and expensive to arrange.

As is a bout with Roy Jones.

"To be honest I'm getting quite fed up with it," Calzaghe said.

A bout against the undisputed light heavyweight champion has been the subject of ongoing speculation.

"It's difficult because of the different networks involved. He's with HBO and I'm with Showtime - that's a massive obstacle in itself.

"Secondly, you've got to ask yourself whether Roy Jones would want to fight me.
"At the moment he picks his own opponents, fights the easiest guys he can and gets a lot of money for beating them.

"I'm dangerous and I can take the mega money out of his pocket. Why would he want to fight me?


Jones himself made the statement that he did not go fight him because it was too risky be it in the UK or states...he stated that on National TV while commentating on Calzaghe/Hopkins those words exactly get a copy of the fight and find out yourself....If Jones said it himself then any argument you have is out the window because Jones stated nothing about why should I have...I was ranked #1 he was ranked # whatever he said...IT WAS TOO RISKY FOR ME AT THAT TIME ESPECIALLY IF I HAD TO GO TO THE UK... he added nothing in on it....


roy jones the man who fought Richard Frazier the part time cop and then bragged about his greatness afterward....

http://www.****************/boxing-f...once-more.html

Former four-division champion Roy Jones Jr, speaking with The Sunday Times, responded to Joe Calzaghe's recent claim of chasing Jones for several years and being brushed aside. Calzaghe spoke with The Sunday Mirror and appeared to have some newfound hostility when Jones' name came up.

"I spent five or six years chasing Jones and he acted like he never even knew my name," said Calzaghe. "Suddenly, I beat Hopkins in Vegas and Jones wants to be my neighbor - it's ridiculous. If a fight with Jones made sense from a cash point of view, then it could happen, but he is notorious for asking for too much money."

Jones says that he viewed Calzaghe as a possible opponent several years ago, but at the time he saw no reason to travel to Wales to chase the fight. Now that Calzaghe is the bigger star, Jones is willing to make the fight anywhere.

“I saw Joe as a potential opponent a long time ago,” Jones said. “But I had my eyes on higher things, such as winning the heavyweight title, so it was nothing against Joe, I love everything about him. He’s a fun guy, an entertaining guy, a good person. We took some pictures together with his sons after the fight on Saturday and we’ve talked on the phone. But boxing is business. When I was the best pound-for-pound boxer in the world it wouldn’t have been smart for me to go and fight Joe.

”You don’t go to somebody else when you’re the best, they must come to you, so I wouldn’t take the risk, and why would I? Why would I meet that challenge when I’m already the best? Why would I go to your country and give you a chance to allow the powers that be to take a close decision and give it to you?"

Jones says a fight with Calzaghe is the best fight in boxing, even better than a possible rematch between Oscar De La Hoya and Floyd Mayweather Jr, scheduled for September.

“But right now this is the best fight out there, better than the Oscar De La Hoya-Floyd Mayweather rematch because we all know what the outcome of that fight is going to be – another win for Floyd. You don’t know the outcome of this fight, however, so it’s a fight people are going to want to see. There’s suspense, and that’s what makes for a big fight," Jones says.

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/BOXING...SH.-a091559984
28:52 mark
You Tube


http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-19059682.html



Watch Calzaghe in the build up to his fight on the Tyson undercard and after his fight on the Tyson undercard and who did he mention on live TV... Jones Jnr


Seems many want to forget this and try and ignore any of that happened

 

Yeah and Tyson replied to Don King, " I ain't fighting that ****ing monster, if you love him so much you fight the mother ****er!!" :rofl:rofl

 

Like Tarver and Ruiz?

Whereas Joe went on to fight Brewer, Jiminez and Pudwill etc.

 

You can't counter what I've wrote, because the truth hurts.


If you want actual facts, try these:


Joe fought in a DIFFERENT weight class.

He fought in Europe.

There was no demand for a fight from the U.S. because Joe wasn't known enough.

He held a lightly regarded belt, that wasn't even needed to unify.

He wouldn't have generated big money.


The above tells you why the fight never happened earlier.

 

What do you want explaining?

Joe claims he CHASED Roy for six years, and wanted the fight.

Yet he didn't have a single fight at LHW, and he wouldn't fight in the U.S. to promote the fight.

So are you really going to swallow that horse manure?


Joe says that Roy acted like he didn't exist.

Wtf did he expect??

Defending a lightly regarded belt in a DIFFERENT country, in a DIFFERENT division, isn't going to land anyone a shot at the worlds best fighter.


So he mentioned Roy's name after the McIntyre fight, wow!

And followed it up by fighting who??


Hasn't it registered, that Roy had no interest in Joe when he hadn't done much, yet he wanted to fight him, after he'd achieved something, and he'd gained his due recognition and respect?

It's not hard to work out.


In the late 90's/early 00's, Joe wasn't well known, so Roy didn't want the fight.

In 2008, after Joe was well known and had beaten Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins, he wanted the fight.


Now if you have an understanding of the sport, that should tell you that had Joe have made the same waves earlier in his career, that he made towards the end, we might have seen an earlier fight.

 

Another fine post.

You're on a roll.