Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Yet neither are better than Toney ..Jones has proven to be the much better boxer against better opposition. Yet you say. Joe is ? I mean when you carefully maneuver through your weight class against guys you over match that's not proving anything ..His bout with Hopkins wasn't a display of brilliance it was a close fight but nothing in that performance stood out and made you be in awe .


It could have been a draw at worst

 

Calzaghe:
-Dropped 2 rounds to ATG Eubank (faded version) and put him down twice. Eubank would go on to never win again though.
-Dropped 4 rounds to Reid because his hand was broken.
-Dropped 3-4 rounds against Kessler and then dominated him, eating his best shots.
-Dropped 3-4 rounds against Bika who made Ward look godawful and arguably deserved a draw.
-Dropped 4-5 rounds against ATG P4P #4 Lineal LHW Champ Hopkins while jumping up a weight in the middle of Hopkins' best run (not beaten clearly since Jones 15 years ago).
-Won every second of every round against Lacy, dropped him, and picked up two other 10-8 rounds without even knocking him down.
-Dropped by Mitchell and immediately destroyed him.
-Dropped by Salem while shutting him out.

Jones:
-Dropped 4 rounds to a green, unproven, pre-prime ATG Hopkins who drew with Mercado a year later and didn't pick up a decent win for 4 more years.
-Dropped 1-3 rounds to a barely-HOF Toney who had 2 decent wins at the weight, lost his next fight, had struggled with an old ATG McCallum, and been comprehensively outboxed by HOF Nunn. Went on to do absolutely nothing else.
-Lost almost every round to Griffin before getting himself DQ'd out of frustration despite being numerically able/likely to win. (Roid rage/No ring intelligence/Fragile mentality). Oh by the way, Griffin was iced by Michalczewski and did nothing in his career besides beat Toney twice.
-Dropped 2-4 rounds against Ruiz.
-Dropped 3-6 rounds against HOF Tarver before getting KTFO in 2 straight fights.
-Offered us a slight glimpse of how he would approach inside defense vs. Calzaghe, using a terrible version of an earmuff defense that Calzaghe was literally sticking his face through while punching him.
-Still had the power to drop Calzaghe with a sweet forearm smash.


Did Roy ever beat a fellow p4p fighter like Calzaghe did with Hopkins?

Did Roy ever clean out the other champs in his division?

Did Roy ever even TRY to clean out the other champs in his division?

Did Calzaghe ever have to come from behind like Roy vs. Griffin?

Did Calzaghe ever show a fragile mentality by snatching a DQ from the jaws of a come-from-behind win?

Did Calzaghe have to use PEDs to do what he did?

Did Calzaghe decline noticeably when his body started to fail?

Did Calzaghe get brutally KTFO?

Did Calzaghe lose to Jones when they actually fought?

 

1. Eubank and Hopkins are MUCH more accomplished than Toney. Hopkins did a much better job vs Jones than Toney did, and that was way before Hopkins was even a good fighter.

2. Jones didn't fight better opposition. Calzaghe and Jones BOTH fought really terrible opposition for much of their careers. Both of them were dominant, as they should have been.

3. As you said, carefully maneuver through the division vs guys you overmatch. How does that not apply to Jones, who openly avoided the other champs? At least Calzaghe called them out relentlessly and fought all the guys that lost to them via robbery.

4. I hated watching the Hopkins fight, but it was a clear win over an ATG and current P4P fighter, which is more than Jones ever did.

 

Corrales was sh!t and hadn't beaten anyone. He had held a world title for 1 year and 3 months. And he was not even remotely close to being on pound for pound lists at that time. You have no idea what you're talking about. Lacy was also undefeated, no significant wins, multiple title defenses, and proved to be worthless thereafter. Corralles managed to get some good wins alongside his later losses, so he's definitely the better fighter of the two.

Judah was sh!t and never beat anyone significant before or after. He lost every time he stepped up to someone remotely good. And he was coming off a loss to Baldomir when Floyd fought him. Zab may have once been on the P4P lists (I somehow doubt it), but he wasn't when Mayweather fought him.

Mitchell had two short title reigns just like Zab, and he lost to everyone remotely good that he faced, just like Zab. He was a two-time SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMP, so...at the weight they fought at. And he should have been unified champ at 168 but he was robbed by Ottke in their unification bout right before Calzaghe fought him (to make a point that he was better than Ottke).

The comparisons are on point. Your revisionist history is not.

And this is about SMW fighters. I was making the point that Mayweather is no more dominant than Calzaghe, and I stand by that.

 

Most of your post is off topic.The subject is whether Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all times?

My argument is you can not be the the greatest SMW when you have never beaten a great fighter.

So, this also goes to Bailey and everybody else : please tell me what great fighter Calzaghe has beaten at SMW? :hat

 

Eubank.

Now you tell me what great SMW Jones, Ward, Froch, and Toney beat at SMW.

 

I strongly disagree that 40+year old Hopkins at light heavyweight was better than Virgil Hill, who is one of the ATG at light heavyweight.

Hill dominated that division for many years (just like your boy calzaghe did at SMW) and beat Maske, Tiozzo, Czyzz, Tate.

 

I am talking ATGs. Eubank may be an ATG in the UK :roll:
Plus, Eubank was past it.

 

You can not be the greatest SMW of all times when you have never beaten a great fighter.

What great fighter has Calzaghe beaten at SMW? :hat

 

I really hope you aren't about to argue that Toney is an ATG, let alone and ATG supermiddleweight...

 

RING magazine listed the top 100 ATGs a few years back. Toney was around spot 80 :deal.

Eubank and Calzaghe were not listed.

I rather trust the RING Magazine than your biased ass. :rasta

 

Go ahead and place Virgil Hill somewhere in this list. It's in no particular order but since you know a lot about LHW it shouldn't be hard to arrange :good

Bob Fitzsimmons
Philadelphia Jack O'Brian
Harry Greb
Ezzard Charles
Archie Moore
Jimmy Bivins
Sam Langford
Gene Tunney
Tommy Loughran
Bob Foster
Harold Johnson
Joey Maxim
Maxie Rosenbloom
Michael Spinks
Billy Conn
John Henry Lewis
Willie Pastrano
Jack Dillon
Jack Delaney
Paul Berlenbach
Jersey Joe Walcott
Kid McCoy
Young Stribling
Jimmy Slattery
Battling Levinsky
Tommy Gibbons
Mike McTigue
Bernard Hopkins
Glen Johnson
Antonio Tarver
Dariusz Michalczewski
RJJ

1. Maske, Tiozzo, Tate, and Cyzz are about the equivalent to a lot of former champs Calzaghe fought. As in not good/don't matter/never beat anyone significant. And he SD'd Tiozzo and Maske.

2. Hill was WBA champ for around 10 years on and off and lost to an old welterweight 7 years past his last decent win.

3. Didn't try to unify for over 10 years and I KNOW it wasn't because he was getting ducked. Barely managed to beat Maske.

4. Then he ran into a REAL champ in Michalczewski and got his ass handed to him.

5. He's only ranked highly by people who overrate him because Jones beat him.

6. Hopkins was #4 p4p, lineal champ, and not coming off a loss. Deal with it.

 

Tell me again what Toney did to earn this spot?

Get dominated by Nunn before stopping him?

Rob Tiberi?

Beat Barkley, Littles, and Williams who were barely decent?

Draw with and barely squeak by an old ATG coming up a division?

Get dropped by Reggie Johnson who never beat anybody?

Lose to Griffin twice?

Use steroids to bulk up to heavyweight and STILL never have a significant win after Nunn?

 

Again I rather trust the Ring Magazine than your biased ass :deal.

And by the way, it is easy to pick apart anybody's record. :bart

 

Did I say Virgil Hill should be ranked higher than Calzaghe? In fact both are similar in terms of record and longevity.

Hill is a greater LHW than was Hopkins. That was my point.

You are calling 32 year old ATG Tommy Hearns an "old welterweight".
:nono Enough said.