Joe Calzaghe Ruined Mikkel Kessler (Froch vs Kessler)

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  1. PFG

    PFG Active Member Full Member

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    Oh, shut up. Have you considered that Kessler... actually hasn't faced anyone of quality until fighting Calzaghe? It's how most boxers "look" good.

    Kessler outworked Froch to a decision. Strange that you disagree, since ya man Calzaghe did the same against Hopkins.
     
  2. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Kessler caught Calzaghe with punches and combinations that no one before or since has caught Calzaghe in. His timing in that fight was superb. He was still Kessler, with Kessler's flaws, but he was so far ahead of the Kessler that fought Froch that it isn't even funny. That might not come off to the average boxing fan but if you've watched the sport long enough and followed Kessler's career you could see the difference.

    Look, maybe Calzaghe was "off" for the Kessler fight and made Kessler look better than he actually was. That's possible, but I think it's doubtful. Joe knew that was a defining fight for him and looked ready.

    The point is this: some guys -- like perhaps Pavlik, and Tyson comes to mind -- start losing their edge when their "0" goes. Perhaps that happened with Kessler. I don't know, but he's not the fighter he once was. The old Kessler would have toyed with Froch, in my opinion.
     
  3. PFG

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    Calzaghe... he can have some bad rounds, he can make mistakes. He stood there with Kessler for the first few rounds of the fight and looked bad doing it.
    Once he changed, Kessler couldn't addapt.

    Froch isn't really a straight forward type, so Kessler was never going to look good against Froch. Look at Dirrell, Dirrell whoped AA a new one, but looked bad against Froch in a fight which could have gone either way. Froch really is that awkward type.

    There sure are fighters that look bad after losing their 0s, but I don't necessarily think Kessler is one of them. Pavlik? With Pavlik I just think his time at MW has ended. Rewatched the Martinez fight a couple of times and I'm starting to wonder if in fact Pavlik was gassed in the last rounds. I mean, even with cuts like that, he still could have let his hands go more, especially in the last round which he really needed to win.
    And Tyson... had some other issues.

    0 is great, it serves as an aura of invincibility, but fighters can move on. Kessler has IMO, he's just never going to look good in an era in which his best win to date before this fight was really against a guy classes bellow each and every opponent of the super six with exception of Green.

    Competition is just fierce. Which is great to see.
     
  4. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Great point in the highlighted and excellent post overall. I think you make a lot of good points here, and your take on Kessler then and now might be right and mine might be wrong.

    Thanks for the post. :good
     
  5. Axe

    Axe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Joe SLAPzaghe would never ever ruin a fighter with his SLAPPING punches in a close competetive fight, like Kessler vs Calzaghe was.

    The only fighter that Joe SLAPzaghe ruined in his career was Jeff Lacy, and that was because Lacy was SLAPPED for 36 minutes straight, and finally knocked down in the last round.

    Kessler did not get hit that much in the fight and the SLAPPING punches had little physical effect on him, IMO.
     
  6. paulfv

    paulfv Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fighters can be ruined mentally as well as physically. Calzaghe schooled Kessler in the second half of that fight, and took his "0." You never know how a guy will react to that.

    As I said above, PFG may be right. Maybe Kessler wasn't ruined, but he didn't look that good tonight to me.
     
  7. PFG

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    Always nice to agree on points. But I agree too, actually, on the opinion that Froch looked the more cappable fighter in the ring. Expected it too, as I picked him to win this fight. In some parts it seemed that if Froch upped his tempo by just a bit more, he'd knock down Kessler.

    But Kessler, as I've said before, played his heart out. In the 12th round he was done, Kessler was done, only his heart kept him in. In a rematch? I'd go with Froch, because... yes, I do think these fights are slowly taking bits away from Kessler. Especially this one. But he's still a tough boxer. Should beat Green with no probs.
     
  8. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What are you talking about???

    I said you are a clown because you are. You picked Kessler to win the super-six and once he lost to Ward all of a sudden he was shot. Your the clown that kept cring that Dawson ducked Diaconu after he signed to fight him and Diaconu pulled out. As you did with Williams and Pavlik. You have been looking for a way to discredit Wards win over Kessler and predicting that he would lose to Froch, if that would have happened as you thought it would when you started this thread you simply say that Calzaghe ruined him and Ward isnt that good, which was the true motive of this thread.

    YOU ARE A KNOW-NOTHING clown just like Farmboxer, a member that has little respect amoung the long time poster, and someone that most of us long timers avoid because we already know what your going to say.

    PS Adamek is still Dawson's *****:yep
     
  9. 1lehudson

    1lehudson Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anytime you fight the truely elite fighters your not going to have a easy time even if you win. Kessler wasnt fighting those top guys before the fight with Calzaghe, but since his level of comp has gone WAY up and he hasnt been as dominate. Too often clowns like Paulpv or whatever his screen name is dont see that. This is going to be true with Bute when he finally steps up to elite fighters. Right now he is being feed a diet of slow plodding sluggers with little skill, if he were to fight anyone outside of Green in the super-six he would have more then his hands full. this Clown is gauging fights for Bute with Andrade and Miranda as a way to say that he is better then guys that distroyed those guys as well. He has little understanding of boxing, well actaully he does but his views are blinded by other matters that I wont go into.
     
  10. threethirteen

    threethirteen Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kessler took some time to get confidence in his work. Carl's method of fighting with that left hand marauding about is very difficult to deal with, I expect.

    Once he started getting his jab off and tried a little work inside, he was much better. He still was a little too wild compared to the past, and the speed isn't there, but he seemed like he was constantly measuring Froch.

    He is clearly in decline, but his strong fundamentals are keeping him in there.