Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

You are living in a complete fantasy!

Why would Roy have responded to Joe saying "Id like to fight the likes of Roy Jones"?

Frank made an enquiry, but HBO were trying to get Roy the DM fight in 2001, and at the end of the year, Roy met with Holyfield and held talks regarding a potential fight in 2002.


The Ruiz fight had been signed late 2002, for March 2003.

After Roy had beaten Ruiz, he wanted other fights at HW.

So why would Frank have made any offers to fight Roy in 2003?


It's all in your head.


In 2002, Roy would have wanted huge money to drop weight, when he was looking to go up to HW.


Why are you mentioning Woods??

Woods was a 175 MANDATORY CHALLENGER.

Woods fought at Roy's weight, and he was happy to fight in America, for a $1m or under purse.


Again, Joe never fought at 175, he'd never fought in America, he'd turned down the opportunity in 1999, and he wanted big money.

So again, Joe's circumstances were completely different to Clinton Woods's circumstances.

Why can't you see this?


Roy had all three belts at 175.

Joe could have moved up, and become a mandatory to one of those titles, like Woods did, for the IBF.


Also, Showtime weren't always happy with Joe, and they labelled him "No show Joe" for him being unreliable, due to him pulling out of fights at short notice.

 

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you keep posting this but it is an absolute falsehood. He was already talking about fighting Tarver again at the Ruiz post fight press conference. He wasn't hanging around to fight anyone at Heavyweight. It was a one time cherrypicked deal.

 

actually youre wrong.


http://www.secondsout.com/usa-boxing-news/usa-boxing-news/kirk-johnson-not-in-lennox-future-plans

and roy couldnt have been talking about fighting tarver again because he hadnt fought him yet.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=1758&cat=boxer

 

There were talks of a Tarver fight BEFORE Ruiz that is what I meant about again. atsch

Jones wasn't going to fight anyone other than handpicked Ruiz. He was sent paperwork by Rodney Berman to fight Sanders on HBO PPV and once it was in front of him he of course changed his mind like he always did.

His 'talks' with Tyson and Lewis were laughable. He wanted 100mil to fight Lewis and 50 mil to fight Tyson. That isn't being serious. The guy is a Glass Jawed Fraud and his career path proves it.

 

You've been shown 7 different links that support the fact that Roy was looking to have other HW fights.

I wonder why Roy was talking to Tarver, at the Ruiz post fight press conference?

I wonder if it could have been anything to do with the fact, that Tarver had crashed the press conference to bait Roy?


Keep throwing me the ball, and I'll keep knocking it out of the stadium! :good

 

Ruiz wasn't handpicked.


Lewis wanted $100m to come out of retirement.

Was he speaking literally?


If Roy had've priced himself out of a Lennox fight, then why would Lewis's team have spoken to Murad, and why would Lewis have spoken directly with Roy?

There would have been no point in even meeting to discuss it.


Again, Lewis was talking of having another 2-3 fights, before he fought Vitali. But afterwards, he never fought again, and made a statement saying that he no longer had the hunger and the motivation.


Again, go and find me a link, where Lewis says that he wanted the fight with Roy, but it couldn't be made, because Roy priced himself out etc.

 

you think wrong Rico.:deal

 

he was talking about fighting holyfield as well and he wanted 100 mm to fight tyson but that is an asking price.

its hard to believe it now but roy was a 2-1 favorite against ruiz. thats how much respect the boxing world had for him at the time because ruiz was coming off 36 rounds against holy and just beat an undefeated kirk johnson.

tyson/jones couldve happened if jones didnt fare poorly agasint tarver in the first fight.

other than tua, no one ever made a prime ruiz look as bad as roy did.

 

Roy 'talking' about having a fight with someone is like an obese person going to McDonalds everyday. He 'talked' about fighting a lot of people and when it came time to do business he either priced himself out or made ridiculous demands. Kerry Davis said in an article they gave Roy that sweet deal when he was only selling 90k PPV's because they thought eventually he would have to fight a worthy challenger. Well it never happened. He gave the example of Jones trying to offer a 90/10 split to Nunn and Davis had to tell him they can't even make a deal that one sided business wise :rofl Then he went on to say Jones essentially fleeced HBO to fight a bunch of Mandatory and optional fights that nobody wanted to see and that is why they no longer signed deals like that Jones cowardice ruined it for other fighters. :rofl

 

do you think that a prime haye against a prime lewis would be an unfathomable match-up? my guess haye at +200, the same he went off at against wlad.

with this in mind who would be the favorite(at hw) if a prime roy(the one that wide UD ruiz) were to fight a prime haye?

my guess is even money (las vegas as the locale) as a best case scenario for haye and as high as -180 for jones.

 

Ruiz - Jones was a big fight.

And if HBO hates Roy so much, why are they still paying him to commentate?

also, How were R. Johnson and Telesco not "worthy" challengers? You do realize HBO pushed for Roy to fight them right? Had Roy fought Nunn or inactive Collins at that time, you would just be saying he was ducking the real challengers.

 

why are some of the cowardzaghe fans so bust up that joe couldn't dream of doing what roy did and move up through all the main weight classes winning real titles?

Roy, a real LMW put the beatdown on a genuine HW titleholder.

think - chris byrd, a natural MW, getting a lucky break against the massively bigger title holder Klitschko, was a major win. But you don't think someone from a lower weight class than Byrd totally outclassing a HW title holder isn't?

SO biased. What exactly would impress you - roy doubling his natural weight to a fictional mega heavyweight 300lb + and winning that title? He went as far as a man can go. There was no further.

 

You mentioned all of this yesterday, but you won't do a fair breakdown.


Again, you've mentioned Kerry Davis.

I agree that Roy had a got a cushy deal with HBO, but he wasn't just content to face bums.

We have proof of this.


Kerry went out of his way to make the DM fight, and we all know that it couldn't be made. Roy wouldn't go to Germany, and DM's manager wouldn't let DM go to the U.S.

We know that Kerry came up with the idea of a double header, to introduce DM to the U.S. public, and to hype the fight even further.

Roy sent Brad Jacobs to meet with Kerry, and they had various meetings, but couldn't get hold of the DM camp, because they were purposely ignoring the calls etc.

So Roy was willing to fight DM in America.


Hopkins wanted a 50-50 deal in 2002, when Roy had already beaten him, and he'd have had to have moved down in weight for a catch weight.


So if things had've turned out differently, DM and a Hopkins rematch would have been on Roy's resume.

Those fights didn't happen, through no fault of Roy's.


As mentioned about a hundred times, Roy nearly fought Holy in 2002, but he pulled out of talks because Holy hadn't won back the WBA belt from Ruiz.


So Roy wasn't content to just fight the Kelly's of the World.


HBO weren't happy when he fought Frazier in 1999. The video of the fight is on YouTube where Merchant gives Roy a grilling in the post fight press conference.

But HBO were happy when he unified against Reggie Johnson, and when he fought Telesco, Ruiz and Tarver. They were also happy with the Gonzalez, Griffin and Hill fights.

Roy fought for HBO over 25 times.


After he suffered three consecutive losses to Tarver, Johnson, and then Tarver again, they weren't interested.

Roy then had to go away and rebuild what was left of his career, by fighting Amaju and Hanshaw.


But HBO were back on board for the Trinidad and Calzaghe fights.


So yes, there were times when HBO weren't happy. They quite rightly, didn't want to see him fight the Harmon's of the World.


But to be fair to Roy, he did make efforts to get bigger fights, and a lot of those guys were mandatory defences, who he had to fight, in order to keep all of his belts.


So you're being completely biased, as per usual.


You refuse to believe that there was any boxing politics that stopped certain fights from taking place.

It was always Roy's fault that the fights never came off, even though we've heard Eubank say that he wasn't interested, and Roy, Greg Fritz, and the Levin brothers have told of how Don King wanted future options for Benn and Liles fights.

According to you, it's Roy's fault that DM wouldn't go to America, and that Hopkins wouldn't back down from his 50/50 stance.


You can never see the other side of the coin, because you're too blinded by your hatred of Roy.


I've never seen you have an educated, objective debate.