Joe Calzaghe v Roy Jones Jnr 2002

Why you changing the subject, showing cowardice as you was not able to debate regarding Spinks, and Tyson with regards to the lineal championship.

Now you are asking stupid questions regarding Bowe. What you going to ask me next?

You know what, that is your 2nd piece of homework. Answer the above questions.

You don't know **** about boxing :deal Go and do your research.

 

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=488153&page=23

why am i not worthy to do a ban bet where the person with the least amount of vcash on december 31, 2013, must leave the forum yet i am worthy to do a ban bet where the person with the least amount of profile views must leave the forum?

why would i be worthy for one bet and not the other?

im pretty confident on my abiliity to handicap fights, the premise of this forum, while you obviously are not.

seriously, a profile view bet?

thats just so pathetic.

 

spinks elected to fight cooney instead of tucker.

bowe elected to fight dokes instead of lewis.

was foreman the linear champion when he lost to briggs?

on 9/14 was canelo the linear champion or was floyd?

 

What are you trying to say?

Are you saying the following:-

- Bowe was not the lineal champion when he faced Dokes?
- Foreman did not lose the lineal championship to Briggs?

Is this what you are trying to say, you brought Bowe, Dokes, Lewis, Foreman, Briggs, Canelo and Floyd into this conversation, so you need to make a point regarding them instead of cowardly asking questions.

If you want to ask me questions about them, first go complete the two pieces of homework I set you. Understand, a man cannot go to Cambridge university when he has not completed his homework, go and do your homework, and I will see if i want to tutor you.

 

bowe beat holyfield, the lineal champion. when he threw the belt in the trash to avoid fighting lewis how is it possible for lennox to beat the "lineal champion"?

how was it possible for tucker to beat spinks, the then lineal champion who beat holmes, if he elects to fight cooney?

retirement, not fighting your mandatories and fighting sub-par competition(george foreman) is a good case for no longer being considered the lineal champion.

 

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Bystanders, the general public as well as the audience have been onlooking the brutal punishment Quincy K, also more commonly known as Queeny, has been receiving for the last few months. It is no surprise to see brutality within the ESB squared circle, however Queeny presents a peculiar unique case as he seems to be obsessed with certain posters particularly those affiliated with Team Elite, which results in him constantly being owned.

I may not be a doctor but I have gained enough noble knowledge and wisdom from overlooking the many crazy people in my local neighborhood to know what Queeny is suffering from, the medical conditions, terminology, mental institution required, symposiums and diagnosis refurbishment.:rasta

Today we have an mentally ill Quincy, who lurks within the ESB sewers, quivering, gobsmacked, urinating upon himself wanting to discuss "Team Elite", "realsoulja", "Mind Reader" and ALTs with any passerby. But how did Queeny get degraded to such status. It all began in July 2013:-

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The origins of Queeny's obsessive hatred towards Team Elite and other noble posters lie here, in early July 2013 ESB was high on Golovkin who had just knocked out Macklin. ESB's resident rodent Slyk, more commonly referred to as Pryk, had just made a thread comparing Golovkin to James Toney to which Queeny replied the following:-

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15547492&postcount=17

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I would recommend Queeny to have 2 weeks bed rest after such pwnage, while spending his time watching James Toney as well as Gennady Golovkin on youtube.

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Queeny, who does not know **** about boxing, suffering from the beating he received earlier, went on to make one of the most ridiculous comparisons in ESB history.

:roflatsch

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15547510&postcount=18

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Spend time in the Classic side of the forum to get schooled on who Mike Tyson is. Also put down the crackpipe. This can sort out your DKSAB problem.

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Queeny had a profile view count of 52 in the time span of 5 years, which didn't even equal to 1 profile view a month. Whilst other ESB members had considerably larger profile view counts putting Queeny's profile to shame. Not being able to comprehend such cold hard truth Queeny developed his envy.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15650825&postcount=70

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Boxrec pages of Tocker Pudwill and Morrade Hakar are rarely visited but the pages of Mayweather and Muhammad Ali are in constant demand. Queeny would need to start making sense when discussing boxing, thus would be taken seriously which would then directly increase his profile view count.

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Queeny became the official punchbag for ESB, with poster after poster taking turns for a work out on him. Not being able to comprehend how so many posters disliking him and thinking he is a tosser, Queeny sat in his basement, thinking, calculating, fabricating drawing maps and came up with the following solution.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15650825&postcount=70

They are all ALTs!

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I would recommend Queeny to leave his basement and go into the general public population. Here he would realise that everyone thinks he is a *****, and he would not be able to call them ALTs.

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:nono

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15653701&postcount=117

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Snitches get stitches.

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Paranoia kicked in, and Queeny curiously began to Google Team Elite.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15651489&postcount=78

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Queeny should accept the following job offer, this would help him build bridges with Team Elite.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15701157&postcount=344
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It does not matter what you think, you are not taken seriously on ESB and you are trying to dictate how things go on the international Boxing scene. :-(

If you had done your homework like I had asked you to do, you would not have been here making these deluded foolish comments.

Let me send you back, go and do the homework I set you earlier:-

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=15742068&postcount=763

Like I told you, a man cannot get into a top university like Cambridge, Oxford, or Harvard if he didn't do his homework. If you want me to tutor you on boxing then first go and do your homework then I may consider. You cannot expect to learn high level mathematics like perturbation when you don't know your timetables.

 

if you really want to tutor me how about the person with the most vcash on december 31, 2013, stays and the least amount leaves? im sure that the mods will have no problem lowering my 1000 vcash to your 353 so we start even.


yes or no.

you wanted your "look at me" momnet and now you have it.

 

wikipedia is an opinion such as yours and mine and spinks was "considered" to be the lineal champion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson_vs._Michael_Spinks

was vitali still the "lineal champion" after he came back from a four-year retirement?

now, what about the ban bet on december 31, 2013?

 

Do your homework first son, then we can proceed to negotiating any bets.

And here is another question for your homework, it is only going to pile up more and more if you don't attend to it.:-

What is your definition of Lineal Champion?

Do your homework, and then we talk business.

 

seriously, the name-calling?

is that some sort of character trait for someone with a negative net worth? well, i guess you already answered that with you living "next to crazy people in your local neighborhood." pretty much everyone in my neighborhood here in mexico are either retired americans or canadians. and whats with the colors, capitilization and underlining? you dont see me doing that now do you? in fact, it looks like youre the only person here doing it. how long did it take to put together this post? you must have a pretty boring life admiring your fake team elite trophy on your ikea particle board trophy case. your post makes you look like a jilted lover and something a woman would do.

http://boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?human_id=356831&cat=boxer

90 percent ko ratio pretty much the same as mike tyson in as many fights.

ko power in both hands as did toney.

you know, there is a real world out here that doesnt revolve around view counts, fake trophies and fake corporations.

now, what about that december 31, 2013, vcash ban bet?

youre not going to tell me to get run over by a mercedes convertible again are you?

that was your last excuse, right?

yes or no

 

stop embarrassing yourself. yes, we all think calzaghe took more risks by fighting kessler and lacy than jones did by fighting ruiz. you really need to follow another sport. i'm sure there are some poker forums somewhere online. that's more fitting for you.

 

i take it that this means no?


do we have a vcash ban bet for december 31, 2013, or not?

because if we dont i really do not want to spend anymore time with someone whose major accomplishment is receiving a fake team elite award and worshiping said award on an ikea particle board trophy case

 

Bailey,

Nothing but boxrec black and white stats. So what if he had 24 world title fights, and 17 of those were or went onto become top ten fighters?

It's all irrelevant if they weren't great fighters, and the division wasn't strong. You can do a statistical breakdown of any division, and make it look good on paper, throwing stats around. Once again, your stats don't allow for circumstances.

Tate. You can't even see that I'm paying Joe a compliment.

My point is, it doesn't matter that Joe beat Lacy before Roy did.

This isn't relevant to what we're discussing, but Toney was classed as not only the best 168 fighter in the world, but one of the best fighters in the world.

Ha! I pay Joe a compliment, and say that in my opinion that he was far too good to be fighting guys like Tate at 31, and then you answer with, he was in the top ten? Who gives a **** if he was in the top ten? What does that mean? He was in the top ten at 168? Wow! Again, just more bull**** stats. Joe was too good to be fighting Tate, and the Mario Veit's of the world in his 30's. Again, that's a compliment to Joe.

I don't know if you're trolling, or you're being serious, but you get no respect on this board, for never allowing for circumstances, and your ridiculous logic.

So what if Tarver had lost to Harding? Does that mean he wasn't a good fighter? I said in my opinion, Tarver was on a par with the VERSION of Eubank that Joe fought. So what's the joke? AGAIN, Joe did not beat the version of Eubank that had beaten Benn, Roch and Watson etc. This was the version who was having injections in his knees, who was at the end of his career, and who'd been beaten twice by Steve Collins. Who had Collins beaten apart from faded versions of Benn and Eubank? I don't see how Tarver wasn't on Eubank's level, again, the version that Joe fought.

Did he ever fight Johnson and Harding? NO!

I wouldn't argue with anyone who said Tarver was better, and I'm not going to argue with you saying that you think Kessler was better. In my opinion, there wasn't much to chose between them. You maybe right. But my point was, due to all the circumstances, such as the importance of the fight, and Roy's circumstances etc, Roy's win over Tarver's, was better than Joe's win over Kessler in my opinion.

That's right. But again, my criteria when comparing wins, is as follows:

Assessing where the opponent was in their career, at the time of the fight.

Assessing what they went onto do afterwards.

Assessing all the circumstances involved.

Assessing how good the opponent was.

Assessing the manner in which they were beaten.


So again, Roy was the only guy to ever stop Hill, from a beautiful body shot, and then Hill went onto beat Tiozzo in a round, 2 years later.

So in my honest opinion, Roy's knockout of Hill was better than Joe's win over Eubank.

Yes DM had beaten Hill, but Collins had twice beaten Eubank, and taking Eubank's circumstances into consideration, again, such as only having 11 days notice, and having injections in his knees, I think Roy's win was better.

In my opinion, it was fantastic because Griffin was a decent fighter, and who has ever knocked anyone out with a LEAD uppercut before?

It was spectacular.

You could say that, but I use the criteria from above, and try and use it objectively.

That's fair enough.

But again, Roy was 35, he'd had 50 fights, he'd come back quickly from HW, Tarver was a dangerous southpaw, and Roy made history. He went down in history as only the second fighter ever, to have won a MW title, a LHW title, a HW title, and then gone back to reclaim the LHW title.

So under the circumstances, I have to say that Roy's win was better. He had to overcome adversity and he'd already won belts in four weight classes, after starting out at 154.

Kessler was/is a very good-great fighter, but if you look at Joe's circumstances, and then compare them to Roy's circumstances, and you weigh everything up, I don't see how you can claim that Joe's win over Kessler, was better than Roy's win over Tarver.

But it's all about opinions.

Toney was still a world class fighter.

But again, knocking a very good fighter out with a lead uppercut, trumps beating a faded version of Eubank, who fought Joe on 11 days notice, at a different weight, in my OPINION. :good

 

You've yet to show any evidence of me trying to pass of my opinions as facts.

I wonder why that is?