Joe Calzaghe Vs. Andre Ward? Prime.

At this point Cal beats all of them UD. In a couple years Dirrell and Ward may have what it takes to beat him, but even then, I gotta go with Calslapsalot

 

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Carl Froch - Calzaghe. Joe would out move Froch and make Froch look slow. Froch can be a lazy fighter and Calzaghe would out box and out punch Froch. Clear Calzaghe win. A prime Calzaghe may have forced a stoppage with Froch taking unanswered shots.

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Lucian Bute - Calzaghe would be a step ahead of Bute. Bute would be soundly beaten. Calzaghes combinations I think would make Bute gun shy. Clear Calzaghe decision.

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Glen Johnson - Calzaghe. Joke that people even think Johnson would give Calzaghe problems. Prime Calzaghe would have too much of everything for Johnson. Clear Calzaghe decision.

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Andre Dirrell - Calzaghe. We saw how Dirrell wanted to hold and hide when Froch threw a few shots, and Calzaghe is a much more active fighter than Froch. Prime Calzaghe late stoppage winner.

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Andre Ward - Calzaghe. Wards holding style would make it an ugly fight, but Calzaghe would get his rhythm going and land on Ward, with Calzaghe landing more on Ward as the rounds go on. Calzaghe decision.

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Arthur Abraham - Calzaghe, no probs. Abraham is a lazy fighter. Calzaghe would out box Abraham and I think AA would quit. I dont think AA would want to come out after the 10th round of a solid whipping

Joe Calzaghe Vs. Kelly Pavlik - Calzaghe by wide clear UD. Pavlik takes a good shot, but Calzaghe would be much too fast for Pavlik.

Calzaghe wins them all.

Remember how all wins come back to Calzaghe ie
Froch beaten by Kessler beaten by Calzaghe, Dirrell beaten by Froch beaten by Kessler beaten by Calzaghe, Abraham beaten by Froch beaten by Kessler beaten by Calzaghe, Pavlik beaten by Hopkins beaten by Calzaghe, Johnson beaten by Sheika beaten by Calzaghe.
As for Ward and Bute, Ward had a lucky escape to Boone and Bute to Andrade and that line all leads back to Calzaghe.

What people forget is that Froch and Ward are at very low stages to where Calzaghe was half way through his reign. At this time -
Froch is a 2 time WBC champ that has only won vacant belts and Ward isnt at a much further stage in his career than what B Mitchell was when Calzaghe beat him -
B Mitchell was a 2 time WBA SMW champ
He beat #1 Liles (something Ward is praised for doing) by KO
drew with future 2 weight champ Girard
beat Siaca twice who went on to become WBA SMW champ who beat Mundine
beat former MW champ JC Green who beat a prime Joppy before Joppy was beaten by Trinidad or Hopkins.
Mitchell only lost by SD to Ottke and was only ever beaten clearly once as a SMW. Many felt Mitchell deserved that win. Mitchell was considered to be a true SMW champ at one stage.
Consider Liles, Siaca and Girard are more accomplished SMWs than Bika, AA or Green.

As for G Johnson just look at his SMW resume
In 13 SMW fights Johnson has lost 7 of them.
Johnson has lost at SMW to -

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who had 5 losses and 2 draws, and lost his next 2 fights after beating Johnson

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who had 3 losses and 2 draws, had lost his last 2 fights coming into his fight with Johnson and his fight after Johnson

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16-0 who in fairness was an outstanding SMW boxer

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27-1 who lost his next fight, but in fairness that was at MW to Hopkins and Vanderpool had a good run after

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38-4-2 who was a world class SMW and became WBA LHW champ

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who was 19-1 and lost his next fight, though in fairness that was to Calzaghe.

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The SMWs that Johnson has managed to beat

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3-20-4 coming off of only 2 losses and won his next fight

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24-16-1, Johnson was his last fight

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9-23-5 coming in, whos last 10 fight record before facing Johnson was 0-8-2

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15-2-0 coming in, who had lost his previous fight and the one after

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29-2-0 coming in and coming in off a loss. This is Johnsons biggest SMW victory

Its not impressive now is it. Please spare me the robbery talk.
If any rated SMW losses to Johnson it wont look good on their resume

 

My problem with Joe, is that he didn't fight a diverse type of styles in his career, he fought a lot of guys who didn't have any wrinkles to their game, I would of liked to of seem him fight someone with style of a Reggie Johnson, J D Jackson, rather than a David Starie, or a Charles Brewer, cause when Joe fought Hopkins, he seemed to have issues adapting to Hopkins style more than anything.

 

Eubank, Woodhall, Reid, Mitchell, Lacy, Kessler, Hopkins, Jones all world class when Calzaghe fought them and all with different styles. They all struggled with Calzaghe and what he presented

 

He beats them all. But Ward and Dirrell haven't peaked yet so I can't really comment. But from what I've seen, Joey C beats them all, as well as Pavlik.

 

Jeff Lacy is a straight ahead kinda guy, he's exactly the type of opponent I was referring to, no subtlety to his game what so ever.

Kessler is another example, a good fighter, but a fighter who is too conventional, too easy to read, same goes for Woodhall.

Eubank was all over the place technically when you made him fight at your pace, which is what Joe did, and Eubank reached a lot, he struggled to fight on the front foot.

Jones was shot, I think we can all agree on that.

 

Yeah Joe left a ton of unanswered questions thats for sure. Im prolly gonna get **** on by the Cal nuthuggers for that one, but ah well, gotta love em, by far my favourite fan-boys, comedy geniuses

 

Hope you are joking. Ward doesn't have a fifth of the speed as Calzaghe. Not even close.

 

The S6 is a great series, put life into the division and allowed for a lot of hype.

Before the S6 the division was considered weak. I don't see any difference. Yes it's a division stacked with good fighters, which makes it exciting, but there are no atg's and none on the level of Calzaghe.

Calzaghes a favourite over all these.

 

Joe outworks all of them. He has an iron chin and just throws flurries every round. None of the above possess enough power or work rate to beat Joe.

Joe by UD, probably a TKO over Abraham Lacey Style

 

Dirrell and Ward would both beat Calzaghe, much like prime versions of Hopkins and Jones would've beaten him.

Athletic fighters with smart defence and good punching technique were Calzaghe's Kryptonite - that's why he never fought any of this breed.

Guys like Ward and Dirrell would sorely expose Calzaghe's glaring technical deficiencies, much like B-Hop did but was too stamina-shorn to do it consistently for 12 rounds.

 

They all get slapped up bad by Sir Joe.

 

Why would you think Jones was shot. He had only lost to fighters who were or who became Ring champs and had a win over one of them, and when he was more adjusted back at LHW pushed Tarver when Tarver was champ in their third fight. Jones had reeled off 3 comeback wins and looked as good as Hopkins in beating Trinidad, and some call Trinidad Hopkins big win.
Jones was Ring #6 LHW and many predicted Jones to win. It was thought to be a bigger more even fight than Hopkins / Pavlik was considered at the time, its just Calzaghe made a fool of Jones from round 3 onwards.

Hindsight is one thing, but look at the facts, the Ring LHW champ beat The Ring #6 in a fight many expected him to lose. It was a big fight at the time but now Calzaghe clearly won, they say Jones was shot

Bernard Hopkins- Former two-division world champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe on April 19, 2008 and lost by split decision
Fought Roy Jones Jr. May 22, 1993 and lost by unanimous decision

“Jones by unanimous decision based on his speed and power.”

Lennox Lewis- Former heavyweight champion
"Jones has unbelievable speed and Calzaghe's never fought anyone like him. Jones likes it when his opponent comes to him and unfortunately for Calzaghe, that's exactly what he does; comes to his opponent and is right in their face. I pick Jones on points, but I think it’ll be a very close fight."

Jeff Lacy- Former IBF super middleweight champion
Fought Joe Calzaghe March 4, 2006 and lost by unanimous decision

“It’s going to be a hard fight to pick. If Jones doesn't stay on the ropes and give Calzaghe angles and lots of movement I'm going to go with Jones by decision. Roy can't stay on the ropes and give Joe the chance to throw his slapping punches. This is a great fight for Jones to win and setup a big money fight again with Hopkins!”

Glen Johnson- Former IBF, IBO and Ring Magazine light heavyweight champion
Fought Roy Jones September 25, 2004 and won by KO in 9th round

“Roy Jones will win. I believe Calzaghe fights an amateur style. He throws a lot of slappy punches. Roy throws much more meaningful punches. In general, Calzaghe will throw more punches than Roy, but Roy’s will be harder hitting. Unless the judges are blind, they will see that the harder punches make Jones the winner. They should see that Roy Jones’ hard-hitting punches make the difference.”

Vernon Forrest - WBC welterweight champion
“Roy Jones is still the best fighter in my era and still arguably one of the best fighters period. Roy with his speed can match Calzaghe, and he has power. So the power and speed is with Roy. Roy by decision.”

Paulie Malignaggi- Former IBF junior welterweight champion.

"It's a hard fight to pick. I thought Calzaghe at first because, but maybe he's too much for Roy right now. But based on what Joe just said about the three Brits beating the three Americans (Calzaghe-Jones, Hatton-Malignaggi, Haye-Barrett), I'm pulling Roy home.....Jones by decision."

Winky Wright- Former world junior middleweight champion

“I think Roy is going to win. I think that his punches are going to be sharper than Calzaghe’s and I think that Roy is a harder puncher. I think it might go all 12 rounds, but if somebody gets stopped I think its Calzaghe late in the fight.”

Dan Rafael- ESPN.com

“Although Calzaghe is the favorite, I think Jones' style and speed -- he's still fast -- are going to give him problems. I think it will be a tough, close fight but I'm going with the upset special. I like Jones to pull it out on a close decision.”

Gordon Marino- Wall Street Journal

”Jones over Calzaghe. This is a fascinating fight. Jones is still quick and with his awkward style and dangerous punching power is able to freeze very active opponents like Calzaghe. I'm picking Jones by a decision.”

Tim Smith- New York Daily News

“Roy Jones has good power and I think that will offset the volume of punches that Calzaghe throws. Calzaghe has a good chin so I don't see him getting knocked out. I like Jones in a decision.”

Franklin McNeil- Newark Star Ledger
“On paper, Calzaghe should not have much difficulty getting by Jones. Calzaghe is a southpaw, and Jones has had his most difficult outings against non-orthodox fighters. And though each man has quite a few miles on his tires, Jones has logged a bit more. The physical edge goes to Calzaghe, but stylistically Jones’ constant movement could prove to be beneficial. If Jones can control the pace, make Calzaghe miss, score with counter shots and his stamina holds up, he will win. Jones wins by decision.”

Bobby Cassidy- Newsday
“I like Roy Jones in the 11th round TKO. Calzaghe does not have the power to keep Jones honest. I think by the second half of the fight Jones will be picking him a part. Calzaghe looked so good against Hopkins because Hopkins didn't have the firepower to slow him down. But Jones has both speed and power. In other fights, Calzaghe has been able to adjust to one of those assets; he won't be able to adjust to both, especially from a fighter like Jones.”

There are were more predictions for Jones against Calzaghe, that picked Jones as a winner.
Although there were many that also picked for Calzaghe the poll on Bunces boxing was said 60% in favour of Jones.

Boxing Monthly felt Calzaghe would win an unpopular decision and that Jones would look the winner

 

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lol:lol:

 

Calzaghe ducked Froch for a reason.

He also ran away from the SMW/LHW division to go and sniff coke instead of enhancing his legacy which he knew himself was really going to damage his legacy.