Joe Calzaghe Vs. Andre Ward? Prime.

Joe, w/out a doubt would win.

 

He would easily beat several high quality fighters? He never had two difficult fights in a row in his entire career but now that he's sitting safely on a bar stool we can just assume he beats multiple high quality fighters.

 

I thought the question was could he beat one fighter in Ward. Which in his prime he would.

 

ward is just way more talented and is willing to take on real fighters in their prime.

 

To beat Calzaghe in his prime, you had to knock him out. He threw literally 90 punches a round at times, and he is faster than Ward. You know what you are going to get with Joe, but to beat him when he was younger was almost impossible on the cards.

 

you dont have to knock him out. plus if they fought i highly doubt their would be a ko or a kd on either side. ward is just way more precise. slapping 90 times a round doesnt count as 90 punches.

 

Your certainly entitled to your opinion. He did throw alot. So did Juan Diaz before he started fighting elite fighters. Then he throw alot and got nailed in the face and broken down on regular basis. The point is against Ward I'm not sure his work rate would hold up so well as did did aganist "world class" fighters like Toecker Pudwell.

 

Calzaghe

 

So much talk about how few elite fights Calzaghe had yet the same people seem to ignore Ward has had even less elite fights and hasnt even fought outside of his home state yet.
This is what really winds me up on here, so many idiots really overhype young fighters long before they reach ATG/HOF status then just flee when they eventually lose. Its people like you that will ruin people like ward. You build them up so high that they reach almost mystical status long before they have achieved it, then when they cant match that fictional image and they suffer a loss you move on to the next.
It is called delusional and applies to fans in every country.

 

Andre Ward showed a lot of skill in his last fight and... who is this Calzaghe?

 

IMO, this is a non-sensical point of view. It literally doesn't make any sense. Unless Calzaghe is actually fighting a punchbag which is hanging down from the ceiling, this argument just does not stand up at all.

Tito44, have you ever heard of a thing called a "counterpuncher"? :think

What you are describing as a nightmare style for other fighters is actually a counterpuncher's dream fight!

Even Calzaghe's fans (not the fanatical, irrational ones like Bailey, but the normal ones) would admit he had poor punching technique and a very sloppy defence.

A guy with that style who throws 90 punches a round is the absolute perfect opponent for a counterpuncher with a slick defence.

If Joe had ever fought a slick counterpuncher who was in his prime (ie who did not have stamina issues like a 43 year old B-Hop), they would've easily nullified his inaccurate slapping flurries, and would've picked him off consistently with straight rights and clever counter shots, and would've beaten him handily.

Calzaghe was eminently beatable in his prime, in his younger days, anytime really. He had a style which would have been very easy for a slick counterpuncher to outclass and defeat comfortably.

Unless you are fighting a static punchbag, merely windmilling punches at them is not the nightmare style you think it is.

Far, far from it. :deal

 

Robert, you couldnt answer the question atsch. This once again shows how I own you :deal

 

So who has Ward beaten Oracle?
Was Kessler and Bika were Calzaghe left overs and Green wasnt top draw and Abraham was coming off of 2 clear S6 losses.
So who are you reffering to?

You wont be able to answer and will just have to bump some of my old threads to try and get backing from others, because that is your weak make up atsch

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So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

Ward won at home
Calzaghe won away

When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

Kessler was 31
Eubank was 31

Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

Kesslers only loss was clear
Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

Kessler was favourite to win.
100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.

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Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye at CW years later.

I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big world champ CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss

 

Your analyze is poor. Let me fill you in.

Ward idolize Calzaghe, and if they fought prime against prime Joe would have outslapped a confused Ward, who would have been unable to do his octopus routine in time from stopping Joe to land and retaliate. Ward would propably connect with some good headbutts, but Joe would have contintued to slap him over with fast combinations from all angles, thus neglecting Wards skillfull defense. Some of the round would probably have been close, but in the end Calzaghe UD.

Dirrell was hunted down and outworked by Caveman Froch atsch:-(
I realize it was a controversial win, but Calzaghe is faster than Froch by a mile and his workrate is way higher. Calzaghe UD, fallowed by noisy complains from The Cleaner Work Squad here on ESB.

Froch would give Joe some problems with his chin, grit and heart, and would probably have hurt Joe a couple of time like Kessler managed to do. But Calzaghe is one of few fighters who could compete with Froch in heart, and he dont fight scared after taking some shots. In the end, the greatest slapper of all times would have outlanded Froch. Calzaghe UD.

Abraham and Johnson would both have been outworked and outspeeded. Abraham perhaps stopped, Glen Johnson would end up Glen Johnson'd, no doubt.