Joe Calzaghe vs Antonio Tarver

Novel length responses?

Seeing as though you’re so ignorant, I provided you with exact measurements, weights and dates etc.

What have you provided me with?

I never said that Roy lost more weight than Byrd.

I said the same thing also happened to Byrd.

It affected his punch resistance and left him with no energy. He was shocked by it. I’ve read transcripts of his interviews discussing it.

I’ve also spoken to John Scully about the nightmare that Chad Dawson went through when he had to burn muscle for the Ward fight.

Yet you know better.

Mackie Shilstone is a highly respected sports scientist/strategist, with nearly 40 years worth of experience.

He told Roy not to burn muscle and drop straight back to HW. He said that burning muscle quickly at an advanced age can affect the body’s immune system. He wanted Roy to take a year out.

So I’ve read the interviews of 3 professionals, spoke online to one of them, as well as having watched the fights in question with my own eyes and observing the struggles.

This is all that you have offered:

“Roy was talking nonsense, as I did the same thing and felt fine”

Great.

 

Nevermind that Byrd had been getting his ass kicked at heavyweight before he dropped weight.

 

The problem with Tarver is that he has become overrated.
I watched Harding beat the crap out of him in the first fight.
A half dead Roy beat him the first time.
Reggie Johnson who was close to the end of his career put him on the canvas.
An older Hopkins beat him.
Dawson beat him up twice.

JC never lost. And he always came into each fight prepared and Tarver didn't.
Tarver gets alot of mileage off a win vs a faded Jones.
Make no mistake a prime Roy beats up Tarver.
I think Tarver has the skills to beat JC but not the mentality to pull it off.

 

Both Byrd and Jones' decline had something to do with age and PED use. Byrd is a textbook example of steroid abuse.
Losing mass definitely did not help.

 

Great post, Cobra. I totally agree.

 

He fought through broken ribs and a broken jaw against Harding. Still was competitive until late in the fight. First test of career. Avenged dramatically.

Beat Reggie worse than anyone but Jones.

Jones was pfp 1 in the first fight and almost lost. Tarver got him in the rematch.

Old af for Hopkins and Dawson.

You sound like a hater.

 

You sound like a schizophrenic. It makes your posts extremely hard to understand.

Daily fluctuating...well...our bodies ..even athletes are in a constant state of change. There is no set number we just stay at all day lol The average person might gain and lose 5-10 lbs over the course of a day by just eating, sleeping, and taking a dump. Fluctuating. Surely you understand that even the great Roy Jones would be subject to daily weight fluctuations.

I would dispute the 6% claim. Arnold was at 8% when he won Mr. Olympia. Roy was ripped but not more shredded than an elite body builder on stage. Whoever made this claim was full of it.

You also don't seem to understand you can be ripped to the bone and still be carrying water bloat... especially if you are on roids.

 

I have provided the same thing Roy's camp provided... personal anecdote.


Here's Byrd's take on Roy since you are sympathetic to him:


"I did that for five weeks and lost 40 pounds; Roy weighed 193 and had to get down to 175," Byrd said. "Every light heavyweight in boxing now has to lose the same amount of weight, so that's an excuse.

"Everybody cuts weight; it's part of boxing. It's an excuse for him to say, 'Well, I lost too much weight too fast.' No you didn't. That's disrespectful to every fighter that loses the weight and doesn't say the same thing."

 

I sound like a schizophrenic?

Brilliant comeback.

My posts are crystal clear. Unlike yours, where you have to try and invent things which I’ve not said.

Yes, I know all about daily fluctuations. When did I dispute it? I didn’t. I asked you how it was relevant to what I’d initially wrote. You’re talking about average daily fluctuations, whilst I’m talking about a fighter in his training camp.

You come back trying to be clever talking about what percentage of muscle contains water etc. Brilliant. I already know. But he still had to gain it. He still had to put the muscles under resistance. He had to work his body so his muscle fibres tore, before they then rebuilt themselves and expanded. It doesn’t matter what the water percentage is. He still had to work out to gain muscle mass under time constraints. And then he still had to work out even harder to lose it, again under time constraints. You’re just mentioning the percentage of water because it makes it easier for you to suggest that he didn’t have to do much.

You say that every fighter has to lose weight, which is mostly water. Yes, that’s true. But not many fighters go into their camps needing to lose 20-25 pounds, when they’re all ready shredded with a very low percentage of body fat. And that’s the difference. Guys like Toney and Hatton etc, went into camps and dropped enormous amounts of weight. Far more than what Roy did. But it was easier, because it was mostly fat.

Is that clear enough for you?

You don’t think that Roy struggled to lose the weight, even though it was clearly evident in the fight?

You think it was exaggerated, because you did it your spare time and you were fine?

Please.

 

This was already mentioned in post no.54.

Keep up.

This was BEFORE the Shaun George fight when he went through the same thing himself.

AFTER the George fight, he then made another statement which was completely different to the one above.

He said that he took the weight off too soon, he had no idea how hard it was going to be, and that he was completely devoid of energy. Basically, everything that Roy had already said after fighting Tarver.

So he criticised Roy before then saying the same things after he’d experienced it himself.

 

You wrote: "What are you talking about a daily fluctuation?"


Look, I'm just gonna assume either English isn't your first language or you have a disability which makes communication difficult. Either way, that's not someone I have interest in discussing anything with.

Your posts are a disorganized mess of ironic questions, statements that will be endlessly elaborated upon until they are completely mutated, countless straw men, and accusations that its the other person doing everything you are.

And NO...prize fighters are not exempt from weight fluctuations. What a damn weird thing to argue.

"Roy Jones Jr is so committed to body weight stability he don't even take a poo during training camp."...- (weird ass Jones Jr fan... probably)

You don't even know what you are arguing. What the hell am I supposed to be doing in my spare time? When was my spare time ever mentioned? Geez...go home, you're drunk.

 

How do you beat someone badly if you win a split decision and get dropped?
He lost a majority decision to Jones not a split decision.
Two years he all the sudden ages against Hopkins?
Same year he beats Roy he drops a decision to Johnson.
Antonio had the talent but was horrible with his training. Lack of discipline. He should have done alot more in his career.
Tarver can run his mouth all he wants about Roy. The last great performance Roy beat him and honestly Roy should have retired.
He gave Tarver a rematch when he didn't have to.
Roy at his best was the number one fighter on the planet.
Tarver never was.

 

You sound a little perturbed.

 

Not really. Its just funny how you make up things.
Tarver dominated Reggie Johnson. But he got dropped and won a split decision.
Tarver was one of the greatest amateur boxers ever - but he didn't gold medal at the Olympics.
Tarver was old asf for Hopkins - a mere two years after beating Jones.
Tarver lost a decision to Harding and got a broken jaw to go along with broken ribs - but he put up a good fight. All the judges had it 116- 111.
But the best part about this? WHOEVER WON THAT FIGHT was GUARANTEED A SHOT AT ROY.
Since Tarver LOST BADLY Harding of course got the shot.
And yet you hear Tarver talk about how Roy "ducked" him for years even though Tarver blew his own chance to meet Roy earlier by getting beat up.

 

WTF??

I can only think that I’m being trolled here.

Are you for real?

Seriously?

Again, all of my posts have been crystal clear, where I’ve given you specific times, dates, weights and measurements, with quotes from all of the relevant people.

It’s YOU who’s invented things that I’ve not said, just like you’ve done above for the 3rd time now.

I have testimony from professional figures, and the fights can be viewed at any point.

Yet you want us to ignore all of that on your say so, because you think that what you and Roy did is in somewhere comparable.

Ha!

You are deluded.

You are an average person, whereas Roy was a professional athlete, who was training in camp under time constraints.

How can you even believe that what you did was in any way similar?

Yes, I asked you why you were talking about daily fluctuations. Again, not because I don’t know what it is, genius, but because I was asking you why it was relevant to the specific points that I’d put forward.

When was your spare time mentioned?

You started out by saying that Roy was full of $hit, as you’d done something similar yourself whilst experimenting with bodybuilding.

If you don’t want to discuss this any further, then feel free to leave.

You have offered absolutely NOTHING to the debate.

You haven’t made a relevant point in 6/7 posts.

You can’t even admit that Roy lost muscle.

Either give me something to debate or move along.